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Old 10-02-2006, 12:03 PM   #1
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School Shootings

About an hour and a half from my house, there was just another school shooting at an Amish school in Lancaster County.

What is the reason, do you guys think, for the return of the shooting problem at schools?
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Actually now knowing the location it's less than an hour from my home.

It's the main story on CNN and CNN.com.

I know several Amish people.
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What is the reason, do you guys think, for the return of the shooting problem at schools?
Crazy fuckers with guns.
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We had a school shooting in a small town here in Wisconsin last week. The principal was shot and killed. And a Columbine like massacre was averted in Green Bay.

But why are we having school shootings? I don't know. I really have to think this through. I'm so glad I'm not a teen-ager.
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Here is the story... this was a grown man and these were young children not that shooting teenagers is ok but the thought of elementary school kids being put through this makes it even more horrific.

PARADISE, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- A 32-year-old truck driver walked into an Amish schoolhouse Monday, binding and shooting three girls execution-style before killing himself, police said Monday.

Seven others were wounded in the attack, which police said appeared to be a revenge killing for an incident that occurred two decades ago.

"It seems as though he wanted to attack young female victims, and this is close to his residence. That's the only reason we can figure that he went to the school," said Comm. Jeffrey Miller, Pennsylvania State Police.

"It's a horrendous crime scene," he said. (Watch police investigate shooting scene -- 1:00)

The shooting took place at Wolf Rock School in Paradise, a school run by the Amish community with about 27 students in grades 1 through 8.

One of the children died in the arms of a trooper, Miller said.

The gunman, Charles Carl Roberts IV, was a truck driver, said Miller. He was not Amish. He had three children, and left several notes for his family "along the lines of suicide notes," Miller said.

Police said he had barricaded himself in the schoolhouse with two-by-four and two-by-six pieces of lumber.

Fifteen male students between the ages of six and 13 were released from the school, Miller said.

At least five young girls with gunshot wounds were taken to area hospitals, a spokeswoman said.
Gunman let boys go

Miller said that during the attack, Roberts apparently told students to line up in front of the blackboard. He began to tie his female captives' feet together. Then he let the boys in the classroom leave.

Miller said Roberts also allowed an adult female who was pregnant to leave and three other adult females who had infant children with them.

At the time he let them leave, the teacher was able to alert authorities, Miller said. Miller said Roberts called his wife while he was inside the school. She said that he couldn't go on any more and he was getting revenge for something that happened 20 years ago. (Watch aftermath of deadly school shooting -- 2:00)

Lancaster General Hospital initially received three young patients, ages 6 to 15 -- one in critical condition -- and expected to receive three more patients soon, spokeswoman Kim Hatch told CNN.

Two were transferred to Hershey Medical Center and another to Children's Hospital in Philadelphia, while a fourth remains at Lancaster General, she said.

Another young female suffering from a gunshot wound to the head and right hand was taken to Reading Hospital and Medical Center, where she was in critical condition before she was transferred to Children's Hospital, a hospital spokeswoman said.

Lancaster County's 911 Web site reported dozens of emergency vehicles -- including at least nine ambulances -- were dispatched to Bart Township shortly before 11 a.m. for a "medical emergency." The Lancaster County emergency communications Web site showed 20 incident calls listed to the normally quiet Bart Township at 10:48 a.m.

Shortly after the attack, men, women and girls in traditional Amish clothing gathered in small groups outside the country schoolhouse along a dirt road. Horse-drawn carriages could be seen in a nearby parking lot.

The attack was the nation's third deadly school shooting in a week.

On Wednesday, a 53-year-old man entered a high school in Bailey, Colorado, where he held several female students hostage at gunpoint. He shot one girl before killing himself seconds after a SWAT team stormed inside the classroom.

A high school student near Madison, Wisconsin, is suspected of fatally gunning down his principal on Friday, after he was disciplined for carrying tobacco and being bullied.
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I think the recent incidences of adults shooting up schools is different than students shooting peers, but unfortunately I feel many are copy-cats. I think that these individuals are/were all deeply disturbed and obviously not getting the help/meds/therapy that they needed. I feel like if it wasn't a school shooting, they would have found another outlet for their pain, but with the "popularity" of school shootings, others are copy-catting and using the same methods as their outlet.
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Isnt the town where this incident happened kind of like that place in the film ' The Village ' ?

On the News it said this area has almost 0 police because law is and respect are well respected.
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You are thinking about the film Witness.

This is so sad to happen to a community of good people. 20 miles away from where I live there are a community of Amish folks. They are private people and do not believe in the modern ways of living as we do. Our Amish folk are very friendly when spoken to,and I respect their way of life. They are also a very forgiving group of people through their faith.
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You are thinking about the film Witness.

This is so sad to happen to a community of good people. 20 miles away from where I live there are a community of Amish folks. They are private people and do not believe in the modern ways of living as we do. Our Amish folk are very friendly when spoken to,and I respect their way of life. They are also a very forgiving group of people through their faith.
No i meant ' The village ' but anyway.

I was told these Amish folk speak a different language like dutch or something , is this true ?
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Not to make light of the situation, but I couldn't help but think of Billy Madison when I heard on the news that this guy was holding a 20 year grudge.
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I was told these Amish folk speak a different language like dutch or something , is this true ?
I can't tell if you are being funny (hopefully you are).

They are called "Pennsylvania Dutch" - but speak English. They are from German (Deutsch) decent - but obviously early Americans took Deutsch for Dutch.

I lived less than 20 miles from Paradise (Pa.) less than six months ago. It is interesting living amongst the Amish. They have interesting town names...like Bird-In-Hand and Intercourse.
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Some Amish spoke/speak Yankee Dutch aka Pennsylvania Dutch. It's very close to the Dutch spoken by my family and local community, kinda a combination of the Yankee Dutch and old "gronigs" (sp?), an older form of Dutch from Groningen. I have no idea if the Amish still speak it.

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I was told these Amish folk speak a different language like dutch or something , is this true ?
As you live in England Vaz, I understand you are probably not trying to be funny, and are probably curious as you don't have Amish people in England. The Amish often speak a High German dialect when they are amongst themselves, and at religious services, although some communities are now predominantly English speaking. The dialects vary from community to community. They refer to it as Deitsch, which is probably how the word Dutch came to be invloved (Pennsylvania Dutch), and also as LivLuv pointed out some who may have spoken a form of Dutch (there are also Swiss German dialects spoken). They almost always speak English when they are speaking to people who are not members of their community. There are a lot of settlements in Ontario, and they usually speak High German, I understand it is the same in a lot of the US settlements, although obviously not all, from Zoney & LivLuv's posts. Hope that helps.


As with the other school shootings, this is awful.
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My sister was a camp counsellor last year in Pennsylvania, very near where this happened. She mentioned seeing the Amish when the group would head out for road trips.

It's beyond belief what's transpired today...a complete and wasteful tragedy. If you're a parent, I don't know how you'd ever get over such an event; if you're a kid, this just rubber-stamps what an awful place the world can be at times.
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