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Old 10-03-2006, 06:35 PM   #31
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That's true, he said he blamed God for the death of his daughter in one of the suicide notes, right?
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I think he said he was angry at God for taking his daughter. I've been reading a bunch of stuff on all of this. In one of the notes and during the phone call to his wife he said he was going to do what he had done 20 years ago (molested young children). He had been having reoccurring dreams about it and wanted to do it again. Scary stuff.
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By Jeff Donn, Associated Press Writer | October 3, 2006

BOSTON --If the attacker at a Pennsylvania school really acted out of overwhelming guilt from molesting relatives in his youth, as police suggest, he would be a very rare breed, even in the bewildering annals of multiple murder, say experts in such crimes.

The history of school shootings and multiple murders is full of attackers who feel bullied or rejected at school, at work, or in marriage. They strike out for symbolic revenge, not out of tortured guilt. Several authorities contacted Tuesday were unable to point to a multiple killing clearly motivated by the latter.

Deluded parents who kill their children typically act out of a warped desire to save them from something worse, said Dr. Phillip Resnick, a psychiatrist at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland who testified in the trial of Andrea Yates, who drowned her young children in Texas.

In the Pennsylvania school shooting, the official explanation "just doesn't add up," Resnick said

At a news conference Tuesday, investigators laid out a murky scenario of how and why 32-year-old Charles Carl Roberts IV may have conceived of his attack in Nickel Mines, Pa.

He told his wife in a phone call from the one-room Amish school that he had molested two girl relatives, ages 3 to 5, two decades before, when he would have been about 12 years old. He indicated that, in recent years, he had dreamed repeatedly of those molestations and the possibility he'd molest someone again.

He also said he never recovered from the death nine years ago of his own baby girl, who was born prematurely. He said he had become furious with God and with himself.

It's likely he meant to sexually assault the girls, ages 6 to 13, according to authorities. He brought a sexual lubricant and ties, wood, and bolts that might be used to keep the girls still. He instead shot the girls methodically and then, as police stormed the school, fatally shot himself in the head. Five girls died, and five were hospitalized.

Several experts on violent minds said the suicidal behavior of the attacker makes sense if he still felt guilty over his sexual misconduct long ago. But the murder of the girls is harder to comprehend from a psychological viewpoint.

Perhaps Roberts came to view little girls as a painful reminder of losing his own, suggested psychologist Joseph Tecce at Boston College, who has studied the motivations of violence.

"He wants to exact his revenge against the little girls, because they have no right living since his little girl is dead," said Tecce. However, at least one of the attacker's own three living children is a daughter.

If Roberts felt painfully conflicted about a sexual desire for little girls, he might have blamed the children themselves and acted out his rage on them, one expert said. He might have considered them "responsible for his downfall," said criminal psychologist Eric Hickey at Alliant International University in Fresno, Calif.

If Roberts was tortured by guilt over molesting little girls in his youth, he'd more likely donate money to a school than kill students, said multiple-murder researcher Jack Levin, at Northeastern University in Boston.

"I've never heard of anything like that, never, never," he said. "Usually the killer feels he was a victim of injustice and wants sweet revenge."

Levin said it would be more plausible if the attacker had been caught molesting relatives, reprimanded, and perhaps ostracized by his peers -- even though his parents were said to deny any knowledge of him molesting anyone.

Whatever the psychological history of the attacker, his demons could have been uncorked with the attack in Colorado last week, when a man is said to have molested girls in a classroom before killing one and himself, several experts said.

"When the floodgates are full to the top and somebody sees them open in somebody else, sometimes they will act," said male-violence specialist William Pollack, a psychologist at McLean Hospital outside Boston.
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I'm saddened and shaken by the shooting at an Amish school today, and last week’s school murders.

When my son Dan was murdered on the sidewalk at Columbine High School on April 20, 1999, I hoped that would be the last school shooting. Since that day, I’ve tried to answer the question, "Why did this happen?"

This country is in a moral free-fall. For over two generations, the public school system has taught in a moral vacuum, expelling God from the school and from the government, replacing him with evolution, where the strong kill the weak, without moral consequences and life has no inherent value.

We teach there are no absolutes, no right or wrong. And I assure you the murder of innocent children is always wrong, including by abortion. Abortion has diminished the value of children.

Suicide has become an acceptable action and has further emboldened these criminals. And we are seeing an epidemic increase in murder-suicide attacks on our children.

Sadly, our schools are not safe. In fact, we now witness that within our schools. Our children have become a target of terrorists from within the United States.
Clearly something has happened in the past 30 years. Except for his usage of the word "terrorist", I agree with this man's words.
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For over two generations, the public school system has taught in a moral vacuum, expelling God from the school and from the government, replacing him with evolution, where the strong kill the weak, without moral consequences and life has no inherent value.
He can go fuck himself. Do parents have any responsibilty at all for their kids anymore, or am I supposed to teach them everything??
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This country is in a moral free-fall. For over two generations, the public school system has taught in a moral vacuum, expelling God from the school and from the government, replacing him with evolution, where the strong kill the weak, without moral consequences and life has no inherent value.
Now I've heard it all.
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He can go fuck himself. Do parents have any responsibilty at all for their kids anymore, or am I supposed to teach them everything??
I agree. I feel for the man because his son was killed, but he's way off base. If people want god in their kids' schools they can put their kids in religious schools. What they want is for everyone else to view things exactly the same way they do, and that's not going to happen, nor should it happen.
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Now I've heard it all.
Maybe you haven't. One of the shooters was wearing a t-shirt that read "natural selection." And the infamous diaries told of their motivation to "kill off the weakest of the species."
A perversion of Darwin's teaching, yes, but as I said, something's going on.
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Maybe you haven't heard
but the guy who shot those 10 little girls in PA believed in God, not evolution. He brought God into the school room.

Too bad he was not an atheist.
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This country is in a moral free-fall. For over two generations, the public school system has taught in a moral vacuum, expelling God from the school and from the government, replacing him with evolution, where the strong kill the weak, without moral consequences and life has no inherent value.
What's scary is this sounds like some of the posters in here.
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What's scary is this sounds like some of the posters in here.
Disagree if you choose, but scary? (beat ya to it)
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This line of argument is completely absurd.

Why is it that in other places in the world, like Western Europe, where God has been "absent" in the classroom forever and there is no credence given to the oxymoron "intelligent design" there isn't this sort of rash of killings? Because your premise is faulty.

But hey, let's blame the secularists, the scientists and atheists for this.
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Maybe you haven't. One of the shooters was wearing a t-shirt that read "natural selection." And the infamous diaries told of their motivation to "kill off the weakest of the species."
A perversion of Darwin's teaching, yes, but as I said, something's going on.
Then do some kind of formal study and find out how many of these nutjobs were Christian and how many weren't before you decide that "something's going on" based on one guy with one shirt.

I don't base my sociological theories on one guy's t-shirt.
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Disagree if you choose, but scary?
Yes, scary.
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This line of argument is completely absurd.

Why is it that in other places in the world, like Western Europe, where God has been "absent" in the classroom forever and there is no credence given to the oxymoron "intelligent design" there isn't this sort of rash of killings? Because your premise is faulty.

But hey, let's blame the secularists, the scientists and atheists for this.


because it has just absolutely NOTHING to do with guns in American society.

just NOTHING.

it's because GOD ( ) has been kicked out of our schools. yes, that MUST be it. we all need a little more Jesus, not gun control.
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