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Old 03-21-2005, 09:39 PM   #16
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The constitution entitles it.

Doesn't answer why just how.
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Old 03-21-2005, 11:13 PM   #17
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I grew up in northern Minnesota, so in all honesty it doesn't suprise me a bit.

Everyone who grew up on the Iron Range knows that the Red Lake Indian Reservation is not a very nice place at all(especially if you're non-indian). In fact, it's one of the very few places I've really felt unsafe. My brother-in-law, for example, was fishing on Upper Red Lake. When a group of locals saw him there, they chased my brother in law off the lake with a shotgun. It's one of these places where when you're driving through, it's best to lock the car doors and really hope the car doesn't break down. Like all places, most people are good. It's been better the last 5-10 years, but there is still a very violent, fucked up mentality in plenty of people there.
Oh, really? Wow...that's scary.

Anywho...I can see a gun debate's gonna be brewing here, so I agree with the person who said that it's more about what was in the kid's head-the best way to solve this problem is to learn what drives kids to do these kinds of things, not to try and start campaigning to keep guns out of people's hands and all that. I hate guns-as I've said before, they really make me uneasy personally, probably because I'm not used to being around them much-but I also know that there's many people who own them and are responsible with them and would never dream of doing anything like this, too.

As for those who died in this tragic event-my condolances to their families and friends, and may they all rest in peace. It's a shame to see this happening yet again.
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Old 03-22-2005, 12:18 AM   #18
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And I thought the unfortunate age of school shootings was over.

Including one's family in the casualty list is a new and horrifying twist, isn't it?

Please, no more!
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Old 03-22-2005, 01:07 AM   #19
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Interesting that you think poverty has anything to do with it.

But actually most school shootings are young males from middle class parents.
Most shootings are not school shootings.
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Old 03-22-2005, 04:33 AM   #20
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Most shootings are not school shootings.
True I wasn't paying attention. I thought I read "school" shootings. My bad.
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This is awful.
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Old 03-22-2005, 05:25 AM   #22
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The constitution entitles it.

Anyways, what a tragedy.
yeah.. cause the queen of england can knock down your door and kill you in your sleep.. those damn english, you cant trust them, they never give up

stick to your guns, people!

here are the words of one angry wise man...

'This guy comes up to me saying
His face red like a rose on a thorn bush
Like all the colours of a royal flush
And he's peeling off those dollar bills
Slapping them down
Right there in the WalMart
Slapping em right down

One hundred
Two hundred
Three... hundred...
That's all, that's all

And I can feel the cold steel
I can feel the cold steel
And I can make a wound that won't heal
I can make a wound that won't heal
38 millimeters like the police
I'm at the door where John and Yoko live in love and peace
In love and peace
In love and peace
Feel like an old shoe
A rerelease
Soon to be deceased

Pull the trigger, the rock and roll nigger
He's bigger than Jesus on a bumper sticker
Pull the trigger on the rock and roll nigger
Bigger than Jesus on a bumper sticker

My pulse is pacing
My eyes are chasing
For an autograph, I've been waiting
Beatle baiting
There's no escaping
History is taping

Hey John...
War is over we don't need your help
America's making war on itself
War is over we don't need your help
America's making war on itself
Six hundred and seventy six thousand
Will go down in the streets of America
With a bullet in the next 20 years
20 years, these bitter tears
In a business of bitter tears

John...
Can you hear us calling?
More bodybags than Vietnam
What's my name?
Mark Chapman
What's my name?
Mark Chapman
Mark Chapman
Mark Chapman
Mark Chapman
Mark Chapman

And we run
Into the arms
Of America '
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Old 03-22-2005, 05:28 AM   #23
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Why do Americans need to own guns?

More guns = more shootings
It is maddening to many of us-Bush did not renew the assault weapons ban.

Whenever I hear about a school shooting I always think about when I was in high school. With all the cliques, teasing etc it is amazing there wasn't an incident like the ones we have seen. I'm from NJ and guns aren't really part if the culture there (at least where I was) I think that is part of the reason.
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More beer = more deaths due to drunk driving.

Why do Americans need to drink beer?


Deciding to shoot someone, drink and drive, do drugs, etc. all comes down to personal moral decisions. I find it funny that whenever a tragedy like this happens, human behavior is the last thing to be blamed. It's always the gun's fault. People massacred eachother for thousands of years before guns were ever invented. Man will always find ways to be violent and destructive whether it is with a gun or with a tree branch. Until we learn that it is vital to hold people responsible for their own moral decisions, we will continue to be misguided in our attempts to create a more civilized society. I think that killing your grandparents and then going to school and killing your classmates is evil and demented. Too bad calling a spade a spade has become akin to hate speech in our society.
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More cars = more deaths due to car accidents

Why do Americans need to own cars?

the primary purpose of a car is transportation.

the primary purpose of a gun is to kill someone or something. it serves no other purpose.



that's a crap analogy.
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Irvine- it was a crap analogy...I revised it.
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Irvine- it was a crap analogy...I revised it.
ah, okay. let me re-read.

sorry for the "crap." that was rude of me.

i'm in a foul mood today.
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Old 03-22-2005, 07:22 AM   #28
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Irvine-

What I'm trying to say is...

If we outlawed alcoholic beverages in this country....alcohol related deaths would certainly decrease.

If we outlawed guns....gun related deaths would certainly decrease.

However, I don't think that taking someone's right to enjoy an alcoholic beverage should be taken away simply because it would save lives. I feel the same way about guns.

I am a strong supporter of moderation and personal responsibility when it comes to alcohol, guns, or any other thing.
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Irvine-

What I'm trying to say is...

If we outlawed alcoholic beverages in this country....alcohol related deaths would certainly decrease.

If we outlawed guns....gun related deaths would certainly decrease.

However, I don't think that taking someone's right to enjoy an alcoholic beverage should be taken away simply because it would save lives. I feel the same way about guns.

I am a strong supporter of moderation and personal responsibility when it comes to alcohol, guns, or any other thing.
So what do you enjoy by possessing guns?

And why does this (=random shootings) almost always happen in the USA?
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Old 03-22-2005, 07:58 AM   #30
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I think that a gun can be used to protect oneself or be used for hunting which is a recreational activity.

The United States ranks 24th in the world in intentional homicides per capita. People killing eachother is not something unique to the US.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_cap
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