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Old 11-27-2004, 10:44 AM   #16
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The male foreskin is not analogous to the female clitoris. It is analgous to the hood that covers the clitoris. A better comparison would be the clitoris to the glans of the penis, which is where most men are the most sensitive.

Male circumcision is over in a matter of seconds and done when the male is a few days old. No doubt it is painful and I think its a pretty unnecessary practice but you can't compare this to a 9 year old female being held down and having her labia and clitoris sliced away with a dirty shard of glass and stitched up with no pain relief.

When males start having their glans removed and their penis' stitched up save for a small hole for urination, then I would compare it female genital mutilation aka female circumcision.
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FGM is a pretty messed up practice, no doubt. Its horrifying, and I can't think about it too long without getting physically ill. This is just all so sad.
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FGM is a pretty messed up practice, no doubt. Its horrifying, and I can't think about it too long without getting physically ill. This is just all so sad.
Now that is something we can agree on
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Recently it has once again come up to debate in my home country. And everytime the goverment tries hard to go against it, and try to prevent the girls being send abroad on these surposed " holidays " in their homecountries, as the parents call it. Then its being blocked and called a bug hunt and rascisme by these groups of people who practice this. And ofcourse followed by utter denial that it ever accurs.
It is frustrating, because ever sane person should be against this. But everytime the topic is up, its being drowned in politics, while the girls human rights are being neglected..

I think its about damn time, that the goverments ended this thing. This should not happen AT ALL,, Sometimes people only see a child, and not a PERSON. During this to a child is not part of the parental obligations
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How on Earth are we going to achieve a world in which human rights are truly *human* rights when this kind of thing goes on?

Unfortunately, because it's often claimed to be linked to religion, it's going to be incredibly hard to stamp out globally. Still, it doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
That's right, they'll say it's OK because it is supposedly an Islamic practice. It's sickening to think about this sort of thing going on. Yuck.
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How on Earth are we going to achieve a world in which human rights are truly *human* rights when this kind of thing goes on?

Unfortunately, because it's often claimed to be linked to religion, it's going to be incredibly hard to stamp out globally. Still, it doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
I find FGM as repugnant as the rest of you and the practitioners of such behavior should be punished.


Just for the sake of discussion, where do we draw the line between respecting the cultural practices of others and banning some practices? When discussing issues of morality, we often hear the stalemate argument of "who gets to decide?" On what principle do we get do approve/ban these cultural practices?
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On what principle do we get do approve/ban these cultural practices?
When the cultural practices permanently alter or destroy an inherent part of our humanity, especially those done to unknowing/unwilling minors. FGM destroys female sexuality.

Sure, you could argue that male circumcision, body piercings, and plastic surgery might also fall into this category....
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great question, nbc, and not an easy one to answer.

not that our system of law is perfect or infallible, but the law reflects basic guidelines of what types of behaviour are unacceptable to society as a whole. generally, we are free to go about our lives as we wish, so long as we don't impinge on the rights and freedoms of others. perhaps a similar standard would be useful in terms of cultural practices...? causing bodily harm to another person, particularly the brutal mysogynist act of FGM, shouldn't be condoned in any context.

the other issue i see is the question of informed consent. FGM would be seen in an entirely different light if women (not girls) were voluntarily going to have this procedure done in a sanitary environment (it wouldn't change the underlying mysogyny that wants to strip women of their sexuality, however). what makes FGM so horrific is that it's done to girls before they have a chance to understand their bodies, the concept of sexuality. an adult choosing to do something to his/her own body is an individual choice, forcibly maiming another human being is violence that impacts the whole of society.
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