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Old 02-10-2010, 07:44 PM   #901
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hey, nice. just like the economy, you're going to blame a war on obama. i wish i could be that ballsy in the face of, you know, reality.
Where have I ever blamed the economy on Obama? I've supported nearly all of Obama's efforts on the economy, as well as both wars in Afghanistan and Iraq since he come into office on January 20, 2009.

I was just asking Phil if he agreed with Obama's policy in Afghanistan.
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So, are you along with John Stewart against President Obama's strategy in Afghanistan?
The quote was about Iraq, not Afghanistan, so please stick with the topic.
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Where have I ever blamed the economy on Obama? I've supported nearly all of Obama's efforts on the economy, as well as both wars in Afghanistan and Iraq since he come into office on January 20, 2009.

I was just asking Phil if he agreed with Obama's policy in Afghanistan.
okay, in that case replace "you're" with a royal "we're" in my post
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The quote was about Iraq, not Afghanistan, so please stick with the topic.
There is nothing in the quote that shows that its specifically about Iraq. Afghanistan fits perfectly with what has been qouted as well. The United States did overthrow the government in Afghanistan and now has 110,000 troops in the country as well as there being another 40,000 troops from other countries there.

So I simply asked you, do you support Obama's policy in Afghanistan? Do you support the surge of US troops in Afghanistan?
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So the Taliban is a "government"?

We didn't overthrow the government in Afghanistan, we overthrew the Taliban's stronghold and installed a government.
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So the Taliban is a "government"?

We didn't overthrow the government in Afghanistan, we overthrew the Taliban's stronghold and installed a government.
The governing authority in Afghanistan in September of 2001 consisted of people in the Taliban. They had controlled well over 95% of the country since 1996 imposing their laws, collecting taxes and conducting relations with other countries. Yes, I would call that a government. The Bush administration tried to get this government to hand over Bin Ladin in September 2001, but they refused. It was after that, that the Bush Administration launched the military invasion that overthrew this government.

It is Al Quada that is refered to as having a "stronghold" in Afghanistan at this time.
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The governing authority in Afghanistan in September of 2001 consisted of people in the Taliban. They had controlled well over 95% of the country since 1996 imposing their laws, collecting taxes and conducting relations with other countries. Yes, I would call that a government.
That the US helped place in power because they were fighting the dreaded Soviets.
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There is nothing in the quote that shows that its specifically about Iraq. Afghanistan fits perfectly with what has been qouted as well. The United States did overthrow the government in Afghanistan and now has 110,000 troops in the country as well as there being another 40,000 troops from other countries there.

So I simply asked you, do you support Obama's policy in Afghanistan? Do you support the surge of US troops in Afghanistan?
I support a realistic and methodical approach to stopping a major terrorist organization like al-Qaeda. The best way for us to combat said group is to focus our efforts on Afghanistan. So, I support a policy that places our active troops strategically, and placing them in Afghanistan seems the best method for that at this time.

Your implication that Jon Stewart is against that is quite incorrect. Stewart's quote is quite clearly referring to Iraq, regardless of how similar you think the situation in Afghanistan is. In the context of the conversation I took the quote from, it's obvious that Stewart is referring to Iraq. I agree with Stewart that we cannot attempt another Iraqi invasion, because what Bush did was disastrous.

This does not mean Stewart is against the policy in Afghanistan. In fact, I'm quite sure he's for it.
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That the US helped place in power because they were fighting the dreaded Soviets.
Sorry, but the Taliban did not exist in the 1980s. The taliban were formed in the border area's of Pakistan/Afghanistan in the early 1990s and supported by Pakistan because they opposed other militia groups in Afghanistan that had ties or were considered friendly with India. By 1996, the Taliban had succeeded in defeating all the other Afghan militia's except a small number of the Northern Alliance who were pushed into the far Northeastern corner of the country.

The US did not help place any government in power in Afghanistan during the 1980s or 1990s. It completely abondoned any aid to Afghan militia groups after the last Soviet troops left the country in February 1989.

The Soviet installed government on the other hand continued to receive aid from the Soviet Union as well as occasional air support in combating Afghan militia groups from 1989 through 1991. In 1991, the Afghan militia groups succeeded in overthrowing the Soviet backed government after which a civil war developed between the militia groups for power. It is during that Civil War that the Taliban was created in the Afghanistan/Pakistan border area and eventually, successfully conquered, most of the rest of the country by 1996.
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Your implication that Jon Stewart is against that is quite incorrect. Stewart's quote is quite clearly referring to Iraq, regardless of how similar you think the situation in Afghanistan is.

If you just simply look at the quote, it can easily refer to Afghanistan. The United States invaded the country, there are 150,000 troops there. Jon Stewart in the qoute is criticizing that approach.

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In the context of the conversation I took the quote from, it's obvious that Stewart is referring to Iraq.
Even if that were clearly the case, he is still talking about how to fight terrorism. The invasion of Afghanistan and the deployment of 150,000 NATO troops there goes against everything he is saying in the quote.


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I agree with Stewart that we cannot attempt another Iraqi invasion, because what Bush did was disastrous.
Stewart does not discuss the Iraqi invasion which had to do with SADDAM and other issues that went far beyond just terrorism. Iraq by the way is doing very well and is in a far better position than Afghanistan thanks to Bush's policies. Iraq today has a standard of living higher than Morocco, which will only increase in the years to come.

The number of people who defend the idea of leaving Saddam in power in Iraq in 2003 gets smaller every day.
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If you just simply look at the quote, it can easily refer to Afghanistan. The United States invaded the country, there are 150,000 troops there. Jon Stewart in the qoute is criticizing that approach.



Even if that were clearly the case, he is still talking about how to fight terrorism. The invasion of Afghanistan and the deployment of 150,000 NATO troops there goes against everything he is saying in the quote.




Stewart does not discuss the Iraqi invasion which had to do with SADDAM and other issues that went far beyond just terrorism. Iraq by the way is doing very well and is in a far better position than Afghanistan thanks to Bush's policies. Iraq today has a standard of living higher than Morocco, which will only increase in the years to come.

The number of people who defend the idea of leaving Saddam in power in Iraq in 2003 gets smaller every day.
I give up. You're just being dishonest now.
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Can we get back to the topic of Palin being a moron and a waste of political space?
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I give up. You're just being dishonest now.
There is NOTHING dishonest about what I just posted!
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I told you that Stewart was talking about Iraq. I know that because I watched the full interview I took the quote from. Yet you say looking at the quote, it could still be about Afghanistan. That's dishonest.
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There is a growing sense that the former Alaska governor is not qualified to serve as president, with more than seven in 10 Americans now saying she is unqualified, up from 60 percent in a November survey. Even among Republicans, a majority now say Palin lacks the qualifications necessary for the White House.

Palin has lost ground among conservative Republicans, who would be crucial to her hopes if she seeks the party's presidential nomination in 2012. Forty-five percent of conservatives now consider her as qualified for the presidency, down sharply from 66 percent who said so last fall.
Poll finds most Americans are unhappy with government - washingtonpost.com
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