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Old 02-02-2010, 10:18 PM   #826
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This one is easy.
I voted for Obama
and I don't think I would ever vote for Palin to be President.

That said, Rahm's use of the word 'reterded' is not appropriate. It may be a habit he needs to break.
I don't buy all this crap that we have gone overboard on being too P C.
Phrases like 'That's so gay' use for 'stupid' or any other derogatory term should not be used, either.
That being said, Rham's use is not on the same level as calling someone the N word.
Palin is exploiting it. But it is Rham's fault and he should say it was a poor choice of words.
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I'd like to know what you're basing this off of...

Strange world where someone who has a special needs child gets angry when a powerful and influential White House staffer uses the word "retarded" as a synonym for "stupid" and gets beat up over it. Of course, if it had been a Republican and used "gay" in place of "stupid," I think we all know what EVERYONE in the media would be talking about tonight.

But you know, we can't even in the slightest, most non-political, human decency instance can we side with Sarah Palin on something. Even if it's something as simple as calling Rahm out for being a jackass, which should be common knowledge at this point.
Rahm should absolutely receive criticism for his comments.

But Sarah Palin should be the last person on Earth to give lectures on morals.
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Old 02-02-2010, 10:27 PM   #828
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But Sarah Palin should be the last person on Earth to give lectures on morals.
can you explain this?

she should be behind O J Simpson?
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she should be behind O J Simpson?
Did I miss something? What does he have to do with any of this?
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can you explain this?

she should be behind O J Simpson?
It's an expression, as I'm sure you're aware.
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yeah,

you must have missed the post above mine
where he said

But Sarah Palin should be the last person on Earth to give lectures on morals.


That means everyone else on earth should give lectures on morals before she does.


it does not have to be O J, it could be Charlie Manson on any one else on earth, before Palin according to him.
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It's an expression, as I'm sure you're aware.
I just don't see why you seem to find her so despicable

I can completely understand why you would not want to vote for her.


there are many other people on the political landscape
that are just as bad?, if that is the right word, as she is.
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I just don't see why you seem to find her so despicable

I can completely understand why you would not want to vote for her.


there are many other people on the political landscape
that are just as bad?, if that is the right word, as she is.
i don't know, stirring up race, hatred, an us vs them attitude that has done likely irreparable damage to politics in the united states, advocating treason...she's a right saint, she is.
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yeah,

you must have missed the post above mine
where he said

But Sarah Palin should be the last person on Earth to give lectures on morals.


That means everyone else on earth should give lectures on morals before she does.


it does not have to be O J, it could be Charlie Manson on any one else on earth, before Palin according to him.
That's bullshit and you know it.

She's an idiot, and it does you no credit to defend her like you do.

But I know you fancy yourself a "fence-sitter" and one who "see both sides."
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I just don't see why you seem to find her so despicable

I can completely understand why you would not want to vote for her.


there are many other people on the political landscape
that are just as bad?, if that is the right word, as she is.
Because she embraces almost everything I hate about our country.
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she's an idiot. Plain and simple.

Could she get up in front of a group of democrats (or republicans...or anyone) and get grilled like Obama did last week? Could she present actual facts from the top of her head, instead of using talking points?

She's not even that good of a politician, but we have so many people who can't think for themselves anymore, that she's appealing.

"Oooooh, lower taxes, less goverment, strong military, cut deficit, create jobs" You betcha!!!

And yes, i know most politicans from both sides are nothing more than talking heads so spare me the comparision to someone else i don't really like.

The fact is, since dubya, the republicans have found that playing to the lowest common denominator is their strategy. While it may win them some elections, it doesn't run a country very well.

I want someone who is very smart, top of their class, elite to run the most powerful country in the world, or any country for that matter. I don't want someone who took 6 years or whatever to get her journalism degree....or another person i'd like to have a beer with.

I'm not really worried though, if she does decide to run, she will eventually be exposed.
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I'd like to know what you're basing this off of...

Strange world where someone who has a special needs child gets angry when a powerful and influential White House staffer uses the word "retarded" as a synonym for "stupid" and gets beat up over it. Of course, if it had been a Republican and used "gay" in place of "stupid," I think we all know what EVERYONE in the media would be talking about tonight.

But you know, we can't even in the slightest, most non-political, human decency instance can we side with Sarah Palin on something. Even if it's something as simple as calling Rahm out for being a jackass, which should be common knowledge at this point.
It is interesting that Republicans are now doing what they've been attacking others for doing for decades. Calling Rahm out for using a 5th grader's insult. Palin's facebook has now used the "word police" attack on someone that she disagrees with politically. That's basically it.

The word retard(retarded, etc) is actually misused quite a bit. And whereas I'm not defending anyone's use of the word in this context, it's not always synonymous with down's syndrome. It basically means to slow down. But of course as we know language evolves.

But honestly Rahm should have chosen a different word, and Palin should have remained quiet for she is not any better when it comes to playing the lowest common denominator 5th grade word games.
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Palin is exploiting it. But it is Rham's fault and he should say it was a poor choice of words.
I agree. Frankly I have used the word myself (more than once), so I'm not going to sit here and moralize. But I am certainly aware enough to know not to ever use it in a professional setting, the workplace, or anything of the sort.

Palin's outrage, however, is totally over the top, as is much else about her.
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Rahm Emanuel is known to be a pompous jerk, to be kind about it Obama hired him, I don't know why. So he can kick butt and take names or something..

But to use such a thing in a political context and for political purposes..I wonder if Rush has ever used the word. For starters.

I understand why that's important to her personally but maybe she'd be better off just focusing on educating people about kids with intellectual challenges and disabilities. Rather than making politically tinged posts like that on Facebook.

The word is misused and not just as a fifth grade insult. I've seen it used on Interference, by adults, plenty of times. I did grow up with a neighbor who was mentally retarded and I learned at the time why that (and the use of other words) was hurtful to her. It was more commonly described that way then, and they still have ARCs which uses that word in the title. But that's as a descriptive term of them and by them and not in a perjorative way towards someone you perceive as being "dumb" or "stupid".

Remember Obama's Special Olympics comment? He realized what was wrong about that and apologized for it.
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while i agree about the inappropriateness of Rahm's comments, and agree that he should on some level apologize for them, and it wasn't in appropriate for Palin to call attention to it coming from a position of authority having a child with DS, it does seem as if Palin is never, ever going to let an opportunity to feel besieged/oppressed/belittled pass her by, since that is the root of her support. they're being mean to her! and her baby!
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