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Old 10-21-2009, 11:57 PM   #511
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What am I missing, then? You don't think he's told his kids not to do drugs? But darn it, they went out and did drugs anyways. How is that different from the Palin scenario?

And for Biden's record on drug issues: Joe Biden on Drugs



Good Lord, I don't care about the "AM guys!" Were YOU all over it? Were YOU attacking her and her father in the wake of the story and for the following months? No. You weren't.
I have to jump in here. I don't care how the Palins choose to raise their kids and their values on sex, but I don't want her in any position to affect government policy on such things. I already live in a state (GA) that has "sex ed" in school that pushes the abstinence only agenda and won't allow for discussion of birth control in an honest way.

And she DID choose to put her children in the spotlight, seemingly without caring about the price her kids would pay for it. And for this people act like she's mother of the year or something? Not in my book.
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Could it be because she loves the attention and she's the dimmest bulb politics has produced in decades?


Naw. It's because we libruls hate the gals.



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I do think you've got the wrong end of the stick on this one, financeguy. I mean, I won't say all the treatment meted out to Ms Palin is wonderful (unlikely it would be), but her politics are not far removed as far as I can tell from the departed Bush crowd (whom you loathe). If anything they are more extreme.
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I love how this particular family touches so many raw nerves.

And for the record, teen parents who themselves exploit their status through ongoing publicity and profit (playgirl!) are now fair game.

Teaching abstinence as a (or perhaps the most) responsible choice is a good thing. In the absence of well-rounded fertility, contraception and STD education, it's incredibly irresponsible.

David Letterman has jumped the shark.
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Old 10-22-2009, 10:02 AM   #515
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I don't see what there is to complain about. Palin has willingly thrown herself out there in the entertainment circuit. Isn't she in the works to get her own television show? She wants to be an entertainer first and foremost. Why else quit governing Alaska without any sort of prior notice?

She is the political world's "Jon and Kate + 8"
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what everyone misses is that Palin's family and her gender were trotted out as her qualifications. the female factor was to try to lure the PUMA's, and her expansive family, her DS baby ... all this was supposed to make her the walking embodiment of the pro-life movement to increase McCain's credibility with a base that has long loathed him.

*that's* why Ms. Palin has been so mocked, because she trots out her (admittedly very good looking) family as proof of her qualifications. were she able to back it up with any sort of knowledge of politics, history, economics, etc., or if she had been able to at least fake it during her hyper-controlled "roll out," she might have more credibility.

but she wasn't able to do any of this. the base loves her because she drives people like me crazy. and the reason why she drives me crazy is because not only is she flat-out ignorant, but she thinks that ignorance is something to be celebrated, and she perpetuates the myth that Johnny-Can-Do may not have much book learnin', but gosh darn it, he's got common sense.

Obama was mocked for being a celebrity. but it's Palin who's the reality TV star.

and i'm totally watching the Oprah thing. to me, at this point, she's just high camp.
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^ Well said.
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what everyone misses is that Palin's family and her gender were trotted out as her qualifications.
Wrong. Not one instance can I recall of a conservative being asked about Palin's record or qualifications, and their response being "She's a woman! And a mother of five, to boot!" Refresh my memory.
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Wrong. Not one instance can I recall of a conservative being asked about Palin's record or qualifications, and their response being "She's a woman! And a mother of five, to boot!" Refresh my memory.


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I wouldn't phrase it as "trotted out as her qualifications" (though I too suspect you're deliberately taking Irvine more literally than he intended), but can you name any other candidate for VP or President who's referred that frequently to themselves as a "mom"/"dad," and talked about their family that often, on the campaign trail? Can you imagine a male VP candidate, in his debut national TV address, joking about how you "gotta love the soccer dads" like him? Yes, any VP/Pres candidate will allude to their family occasionally in order to shore up their 'regular guy/gal' cred, pose for Newsweek with their kids etc., but only a female politician playing to a socially conservative audience can get away with taking it that far, because in reality it's completely irrelevant to one's qualifications for that office, and if it were a man branding himself that way, that same audience would realize it and judge him accordingly.

This doesn't by itself make her unqualified; in theory, you could have the most stellar credentials imaginable and still fall back on this kind of smarmy pap to market yourself. But it's infantilizing to both the audience and the speaker, and that kind of dumbing down is the last thing American politics needs more of.
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can you name any other candidate for VP or President who's referred that frequently to themselves as a "mom"/"dad," and talked about their family that often, on the campaign trail? It's completely irrelevant to one's qualifications for that office, and if it were a man branding himself that way, that same audience would realize it and judge him accordingly.
I don't see anything wrong with talking about her family. I can't even recall what Palin actually said about her family, other than that Todd is a snow machine racer, her son is in Iraq, and Trig has DS. And I'm pretty sure she probably only said all that stuff because no one had idea who this family was and she was introducing them. Is that what you're (generic "you", not you, yolland) talking about? To me, that's not much to get worked up over.

Emphasizing your sex is no different than emphasizing your race, which Obama employed during the campaign. Are you (generic "you") saying there's something wrong with making a point that you're a woman and saying something like this?--

"By choosing a woman to run for our nation's second highest office, you sent a powerful signal to all Americans. There are no doors we cannot unlock. We will place no limits on achievement. If we can do this, we can do anything."

That's a bad thing to say?
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I think you missed the point by miles...
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Like Yolland said, she was THE dumbing down of the office. In every way. She tried to use that "soccer mom" "I'm just like you" "don't read no fancy newspapers" charm as a selling point, and it's not what we want in a VP. Every politician talks about their family but not as a qualifier I can see how she might appeal to the home schooling crowd, but anyone else? I just don't get.

And then when you got past that packaging and realized how much of a contradiction she was, how uninformed she was, etc it just made her scary.
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Emphasizing your sex is no different than emphasizing your race, which Obama employed during the campaign.
Hold the phone! Since when did Obama tout his race around? Since when did his team tout his race around? Not once did Obama get on a podium and declared how much of a proud black man he is. He never addressed race until after he secured the election.

It was the media and the public that consistently brought up his race and how much of a "challenge" it was going to be for him.

What exactly does this have to do with gender? No one is talking about Palin limiting herself as a woman. Did you read yolland's post at all? If this all came from a man, he'd be putting himself under the magnifying glass just as much as Palin did.
Were jabs not taken at Biden for his "2 hour nightly train ride to meet his kids for dinner" spiel which he consistently repeated with gusto?
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for the sake of accuracy, Palin did not say that being a soccer mom was a qualification.

she said that being a hockey mom was.
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