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Old 08-16-2009, 10:47 AM   #406
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Not outright hateful people, just really misguided. It honestly makes me sad.
Really, it is very sad all around. I hope your Aunt and Uncle end up in a better place when all this is said and done.

For all the right reasons to consider health care reform and a single-payer system, it can't be all that surprising that, despite grandstanding and fear-mongering, many people simply don't trust that the government can manage health care competently and effectively with their tax dollars.

As much as the current mess can be blamed on ignorance, racism, elitism, politics, ideology etc., it can also be blamed on a colossally poor track record of government spending and the lies and deception regarding such.

Despite that, I do hope the debate rises above the noise and real change is accomplished that might create a positive momentum overall.
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The way I see it, in 'broad strokes', general terms, the debate on healthcare in the U.S. is more or less the same as in other developed countries - i.e., people want world class healthcare but don't really want to have to pay for it. I think the left and right are more or less equally to blame, and lobbyists for special interests on both sides are adept at exploiting fear.
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Nobody wants to pay for stuff, but they'd probably pay less per head if the burden was spread around. It's not rocket science. It's not even that different from the basis upon which highways are built.

That said, I appreciate that the debate is incredibly muddied at this point. I think it was pointed out on some blog I skim occasionally that the imperfect but rather good systems we have in countries like Australia and Britain came out of a certain, possibly not to be repeated, period of history. That window closed, although may reopen in the future.
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Sarah Palin is rallying her Facebook community behind Glenn Beck.

In a post on Facebook Wednesday morning titled, "An Invitation," Palin urged her 800,000-plus Facebook fans to watch the Fox News host (via Politico):

FOX News' Glenn Beck is doing an extraordinary job this week walking America behind the scenes of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and outlining who is actually running the White House.

Monday night he asked us to invite one friend to watch; tonight I invite all my friends to watch.

-Sarah Palin

Beck is hardly having trouble in the ratings, and many of Palin's supporters fall squarely in the Beck target audience, but it will be interesting to see if he experiences a "Palin Bump."

Beck has come under fire for his remarks that President Obama is a racist, which has led dozens of advertisers to pull their sponsorship from his show.
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Great she goes from not reading and being uninformed to drinking the conspiracy/ fearmongering paranoia propaganda kool-aid.

A step backwards...
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This is what she's telling people to watch

Suddenly I feel all hot for teacher..

YouTube - Glenn Beck - Fox News Thursday 8/27/09 - 7 of 7
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Big Beck: Goes over 3 million viewers, beats O’Reilly in demo: Cable News Ratings for Wednesday, August 26, 2009

Though a little scandal might alienate advertisers, it’s pure ratings gold. Last night Glenn Beck had over 3 million viewers at 5pm, second only to O’Reilly for the night. But, Beck had more 25-54 viewers than O’Reilly (888K to 876K). I don’t watch or really even care about the cable news wars, but still…wow. Even though Beck airs before primetime, when there are fewer people watching TV, he had the most 25-54 viewers in the cable news world for the night.

5PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Glenn Beck– 3,040,000 viewers (888,000) (1,385,000)
Situation Room—688,000 viewers (141,000) (271,000)
Hardball w/ Chris Matthews—536,000 viewers (139,000) (217,000)
Fast Money—215,000 viewers (55,000) (80,000)
Prime News–267,000 viewers (97,000) (109,000)
Not sure if it's Beck or just viewers needing something other than the other outlet's wall-to-wall praising of Ted Kennedy.
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There are a lot of racists and hate-mongers out there.
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Well there are quite a few, but I wouldn't say they all watch Glenn Beck.











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Not sure if it's Beck or just viewers needing something other than the other outlet's wall-to-wall praising of Ted Kennedy.
The unprecedented growing success of Fox News has driven Keith Olbermann insane, I am convinced:

The other night, during his "worst person in the world" segment, he highlighted O'Reilly, and proceeded to say "In O'Reilly's nightly round of self applause last night, designed to drown out the echo of daddy hitting him..."

And if that wasn't bad enough, Olbermann later went on to add that he has the highest-rated cable news show watched by people 35 and under, which
a) is a new made-up demo, I guess, and
b) is just not true.

Then he added that Countdown is the highest rated cable news show that isn't on Fox News, which is like saying "I'm the richest person in the world except for all those people who are richer than me." And he said since Fox News is only watched by racists, paranoids, and conspiracy theorists, they no longer act as "news," making Countdown the winner.

But I guess if it helps him sleep at night.
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What do ratings mean?

People watched it? Sure...

Did they laugh, cry, throw their shoes at the screen? Do they believe it or mock it? Who knows?

American Idol, high ratings, don't mean shit to me or Chuck D...


At the end of the day. O'Reilly and Olbermann = blowhards, O'Reilly's a lot more hypocritical, but they are still both blowhards that love to hear themselves speak... Shutup!!!

Glenn Beck = paranoid, I'll believe any right wing conspiracy thrown my way, cry baby that wraps his hate in a flag and calls it patriotism.
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(AP)HONG KONG — Former U.S. vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, criticized for her lack of foreign policy experience, emerged in Asia on Wednesday to share her views from "Main Street U.S.A." with a group of high-flying global investors.

In her first trip to the region, the former Alaska governor addressed an annual conference of investors in Hong Kong in what was billed as a wide-ranging talk about governance, economics and U.S. and Asian affairs.

Two US delegates left early, according to AFP, with one saying "it was awful, we couldn't stand it any longer." He declined to be identified.

"I'm going to call it like I see it and I will share with you candidly a view right from Main Street, Main Street U.S.A.," Palin told a room full of asset managers and other finance professionals, according to a video of part of the speech obtained by The Associated Press. "And how perhaps my view of Main Street ... how that affects you and your business."

Palin spoke out against government intervention in the economy. "We got into this mess because of government interference in the first place," Palin said, according to the Wall Street Journal. "We're not interested in government fixes, we're interested in freedom," she added.

She also praised the conservative economic policies of former U.S. President Ronald Reagan and former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, according to another attendee who declined to be named because he didn't want to be seen as speaking on behalf of his company.

She claimed that if taxes were cut and the capital gains tax and estate tax eliminated, the world would "watch the U.S. economy roar back to life."

Palin argued that many average Americans are uncomfortable with health care reforms that infringe on private enterprise, Chris Palmer, an American fund manager for Gartmore Investment Ltd., told reporters.

She didn't refer to President Barack Obama by name, the Wall Street Journal reported, but said she called his campaign promises "nebulous, utopian sounding... Now 10 months later, though, a lot of Americans are asking: more government? Is that the change we want?"

Some attendees were disappointed by her focus on her home state and her attacks on President Obama.

"As fund managers we want to hear about the United States as a whole, not just about Alaska," one told AFP. "And she criticized Obama a lot but offered no solutions."

Palin also said she believes the U.S. has a role in helping China find its future and that the U.S. will always be on the side of promoting freedom, according to Palmer.

In an apparent reference to tensions between Muslim Uighurs and Han Chinese that have led to riots, Palin mentioned China's ethnic problems, arguing they are "a sign that China lacks mechanisms to deal with regional issues," Palmer said.

The speech marked Palin's first major appearance since she resigned as governor in July, and the speech's location and international scope could help boost her credentials ahead of a possible bid for president in 2012. While she's thought to be considering that, her Hong Kong trip bore no political overtones, said Fred Malek, a friend and Palin adviser.

"You can read a lot of things into it, 'Is she trying to burnish her foreign policy credentials?' and the like. But really, it's a trip that will be beneficial to her knowledge base and will defray some legal and other bills that she has," Malek said.

Palin aides refused to disclose her fee for the appearance, which has been rumored to be in the low six figures.

Hari Sevugan, a spokesman for the Democratic National Committee, said Tuesday the group knew little about Palin's speech.

"We're curious as to what she's willing to say in private but not in public," Sevugan said. "Are there other countries that she can see from her window that she doesn't want us to know about?"
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What in the hell is she doing over there?

This woman has no humility, or she's completely delusional...

I would have loved to been a fly on the wall
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I think the key words are-low six figures.
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What in the hell is she doing over there?

This woman has no humility, or she's completely delusional...

I would have loved to been a fly on the wall
She only thinks and says nice things about ppl like you.


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