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Old 08-09-2009, 09:34 PM   #376
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Not a very inclusive point of view, is it? Have you considered that people with Down Syndrome kids might have very legitimate concerns about such issues?
Except for the fact that this "death panel" issue Sarah Palin and others are concerned about has absolutely no basis in reality.
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Yes they should, because all those other places with universal healthcare, like Canada and the UK, routinely deny healthcare to Trisomy 21 individuals, and then euthanize them.
No, not quite. They just passively encourage abortions of non-productive kids (er, sorry, I meant random collection of non-viable cells) by means of abortion on demand policies.
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Except for the fact that this "death panel" issue Sarah Palin and others are concerned about has absolutely no basis in reality.
I agree, I'm just saying it's easy to understand why a mother with a Downs Syndrome kid could have this reaction.
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I agree, I'm just saying it's easy to understand why a mother with a Downs Syndrome kid could have this reaction.
I don't see this as a concerned mother having a reaction but as an opportunistic woman who is flat out lying and using her quasi-leadership position to influence a policy debate by introducing untruths to her followers who are uninformed and likely to believe what she is saying. Which is a 100% lie.

For such a good Christian woman, she sure doesn't have a lot of qualms about bearing false witness...
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I agree, I'm just saying it's easy to understand why a mother with a Downs Syndrome kid could have this reaction.
Agreed, presuming the mother is ignorant of the facts. Which is the issue. Scare tactics rarely sway the well-informed. You would think the main voice of opposition a political party would want to put forth would be a rational and intelligent one, not one meant to prey on the ignorance of others.

"Death Panels!? How awful! Down with national health care!!"
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I don't see this as a concerned mother having a reaction but as an opportunistic woman who is flat out lying and using her quasi-leadership position to influence a policy debate by introducing untruths to her followers who are uninformed and likely to believe what she is saying. Which is a 100% lie.
Bingo.
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Talk about painting with a broad brush... I could make a list of Republican politicians (or, you know, even recent Republican presidents) who have had death threats made against them, too. As has been said, there are crazies on both sides, and for people like you and Pelosi to make them out as the norm is very damaging to your side, and you seem to be unaware of it.
I said the people making the death threats were the same psycho's that are likely to blow up clinics. I was not broad brushing good ole mom and pop at the town meeting trying to "voice" dissent. Obviously you took it as such, and it's not what I meant, I apologize for not spelling it out for you clearly enough.
Oye veh.

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She is - quite rightly - pro-family

wtf does this even mean?

i would think that universal health care coverage is about as pro-family as you can get. can you list for me the other Palin pre-August 2008 policies that are likewise pro-family? and you'll have to stick to domestic issues since she has no record of having any opinion on any international issues prior to the GOP convention.



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Not a very inclusive point of view, is it? Have you considered that people with Down Syndrome kids might have very legitimate concerns about such issues?
no. people with DS kids should be more concerned that their child will become a "pre-existing condition" that might prevent them from getting coverage from a profit-driven corporation rather than some Orwellian "death panel" forcing women to abort DS kids.


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No, not quite. They just passively encourage abortions of non-productive kids (er, sorry, I meant random collection of non-viable cells) by means of abortion on demand policies.

who "passively encourages" abortions? that's a massively biased and self-serving reading of the pro-choice position.

do you feel the same concern for little gay babies who might one day have the discovered "gay gene" and christofascist not-pro-life-in-this-case women might choose an abortion? or, worse, try to thump some heterosexuality into the boy at a young age?
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Oye veh.

Peace out, I'm outta here...

As a well known official spokesperson for the Israeli Government, it's my duty to say that it's spelled "oy vey".
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wtf does this even mean?

i would think that universal health care coverage is about as pro-family as you can get.

who "passively encourages" abortions? that's a massively biased and self-serving reading of the pro-choice position.
Exactly

These ignorant generalizations are getting quite tiresome.
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As a well known official spokesperson for the Israeli Government, it's my duty to say that it's spelled "oy vey".

and that's the only minute expression of remorse that the western imperialist New York and London funded pig Zionists will say after you nuke Iran into a sheet of glass.
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As a well known official spokesperson for the Israeli Government, it's my duty to say that it's spelled "oy vey".
What is the Israeli Government's opinion on health care anyway?
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As a well known official spokesperson for the Israeli Government, it's my duty to say that it's spelled "oy vey".
My bad I'm not up on my yiddish.
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Palin's spokesperson reportedly said Palin's assertion was a reference to House bill's "Advance Care Planning Consultation" provision. On his blog, ABC's Jake Tapper reported:

Asked specifically what the former governor was referring to when painting a picture of an Obama "death panel" giving her parents or son Trig a thumbs up or down based on their productivity, Palin spokeswoman Meghan Stapleton responded in an email: "From HR3200 p. 425 see 'Advance Care Planning Consultation'." [Political Punch, 8/7/09]

Provision Stapleton pointed to requires Medicare to cover voluntary end-of-life counseling sessions. Section 1233 of America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 -- which includes "p. 425" -- amends the Social Security Act to ensure that advance care planning will be covered if a patient requests it from a qualified care provider [America's Affordable Health Choices Act, Sec. 1233]. According to an analysis of the bill produced by the three relevant House committees, the section "[p]rovides coverage for consultation between enrollees and practitioners to discuss orders for life-sustaining treatment. Instructs CMS to modify 'Medicare & You' handbook to incorporate information on end-of-life planning resources and to incorporate measures on advance care planning into the physician's quality reporting initiative." [waysandmeans.house.gov, accessed 7/29/09]

Numerous media conservatives have advanced myth that provision provides seniors mandatory counseling to end their lives. On July 16, former New York Lt. Gov. Betsy McCaughey falsely claimed that the House health care reform bill would "absolutely require" end-of-life counseling for seniors "that will tell them how to end their life sooner." Since then, numerous media figures -- including Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, and Rush Limbaugh -- have echoed McCaughey's claim -- even after the falsehood was debunked and McCaughey herself backtracked.
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So talking to people about living wills and DNR requests now equals "death panels".

Nice job, Sarah!

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