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Old 02-08-2014, 01:58 PM   #946
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Did anyone see the part where they did 1,000 years of Russian history, and at the end, showed those heterosexual marriages? As if to stick to their anti-gay message.

When they showed all those baby carriages and NBC said that represented that the Russian government was looking to increase the birth rate, I couldn't help but wonder if Putin would go down the same route as Nicolae Ceaucescu, the Romanian communist dictator. He may not, but who knows?
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Federal government to expand recognition of same-sex marriages

Los Angeles Times | February 8, 2014 | 11:10 AM
Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. will issue a directive Monday expanding government recognition of same-sex marriages to all federal courtrooms and prisons and some federal benefits programs.

The new policy, which Holder plans to announce tonight at a gay rights dinner in New York, will apply even in states that do not recognize same-sex couples' marriages as long as they were legally married in another state.
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I hope one day soon this will no longer be newsworthy. But that day isn't here yet, and so this is a landmark event in pro North American sports.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/10/sp...?smid=tw-share
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Beat me to it^

Quite possibly the biggest coming out in American sports - yet.

Missouri DE and NFL prospect Michael Sam announces he is gay

With respect to Martina and other ladies, it's just not perceived the same and we all know it's not. And unlike the other males (Collins, etc.) - this dude is not washed up or a marginal player and he's not playing in any league not named the mighty NFL.

And he's doing it BEFORE the NFL draft. In manliest manly man football. The biggest sport in America by miles. This guy is BEGINNING his pro career by coming out.

In other words, we're going to see whether it makes any difference or not. It won't.
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I think it was perfect timing.
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This is actual bravery. Good luck to him.
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He also cost himself a ton of $$$.

Hope he makes it. He definitely needs a team with strong leadership.

But it just takes one. If he's successful (meaning he plays in nfl) I think you'll see the gates open and more players come out.
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Not sure what you mean by this costing him money...

This could easily make him money.
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hey, INDY, you'll be delighted to know that Memphis and i were actually refused at a venue here in DC. it's a hall associated with a Jesuit monastery, and it's gorgeous. however, they say that they are "forced to conform with the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church." we're totally being discriminated against!

and guess what? we're going to look some place else! you know why? because this is totally different than a baker refusing to bake us a cake. we would be having the actual ceremony on the grounds, which would then implicated the venue in the participation of an event that actually is against their religious beliefs. and guess what? we have NO PROBLEM with that!

sure, it feels shitty to be discriminated against, and one wonders where the slippery slope ends (can they discriminate against non-virgin couples? fucking before marriage certainly goes against Jesus), but this does not actually violate non-discrimination laws in the way that refusing to bake us a goddamn pie does!
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Of course they can let non-virgins in! They can forgive people just like themselves silly.
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Not sure what you mean by this costing him money...

This could easily make him money.
He certainly cost himself some money. There will be teams who won't draft him because of this. Some because they're bigots and others because, more than likely, he'll be a distraction.

If he does become a crusader and make this about his sexuality, he won't make it in this league for very long. You see it all the time, the NFL doesn't really care if you're a good guy, but you damn well better not rock the boat. That shit isn't tolerated.

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hey, INDY, you'll be delighted to know that Memphis and i were actually refused at a venue here in DC. it's a hall associated with a Jesuit monastery, and it's gorgeous. however, they say that they are "forced to conform with the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church." we're totally being discriminated against!

and guess what? we're going to look some place else! you know why? because this is totally different than a baker refusing to bake us a cake. we would be having the actual ceremony on the grounds, which would then implicated the venue in the participation of an event that actually is against their religious beliefs. and guess what? we have NO PROBLEM with that!

sure, it feels shitty to be discriminated against, and one wonders where the slippery slope ends (can they discriminate against non-virgin couples? fucking before marriage certainly goes against Jesus), but this does not actually violate non-discrimination laws in the way that refusing to bake us a goddamn pie does!

I actually have no problem with this sort of discrimination. I don't want to see religious institutions to go against their beliefs. When their faith overlaps with the public, they'll have to acquiesce to public standards, but in their own place? Let them have it.
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I actually have no problem with this sort of discrimination. I don't want to see religious institutions to go against their beliefs. When their faith overlaps with the public, they'll have to acquiesce to public standards, but in their own place? Let them have it.


it's not a church, nor would it be a religious ceremony involving any clergy, it's merely a building owned by a monastery. so, really, all we'd want to do on that tax-free land (churches are exempt, yo!) would be to have an entirely legal secular ceremony. but i suppose if they want to be in alignment with Catholic teachings, that's cool -- i get that SSM isn't.

i just hope that they do a V-card check for all the straight couples who want to get married there so they don't violate Catholic teaching and marry people who have had premarital sex or, god forbid, use birth control. and i hope no non-Catholics or Jews want to get married there either.

i'm fine getting in the back of the bus in order to accomodate someone's religious convictions -- i just hope there's consistency in application and it's not just a single group that's being singled out for discrimination via BS about "consistency" with "teachings."
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He certainly cost himself some money. There will be teams who won't draft him because of this. Some because they're bigots and others because, more than likely, he'll be a distraction.

a distraction for his teammates, or a distraction for the older, whiter, richer owners?

his teammates at Missouri, and in fact the entire campus, seem absolutely fine with him.
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a distraction for his teammates, or a distraction for the older, whiter, richer owners?

his teammates at Missouri, and in fact the entire campus, seem absolutely fine with him.
Probably both. And you can act indignant all you want, but you know this to be true. We're moving in the right direction, but we're not there yet.
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it's not a church, nor would it be a religious ceremony involving any clergy, it's merely a building owned by a monastery. so, really, all we'd want to do on that tax-free land (churches are exempt, yo!) would be to have an entirely legal secular ceremony. but i suppose if they want to be in alignment with Catholic teachings, that's cool -- i get that SSM isn't.

i just hope that they do a V-card check for all the straight couples who want to get married there so they don't violate Catholic teaching and marry people who have had premarital sex or, god forbid, use birth control. and i hope no non-Catholics or Jews want to get married there either.

i'm fine getting in the back of the bus in order to accomodate someone's religious convictions -- i just hope there's consistency in application and it's not just a single group that's being singled out for discrimination via BS about "consistency" with "teachings."
Well you could always do what other couples in those situations do and lie. Which of you would look better in drag on your wedding day?

Congrats btw!
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