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Old 01-04-2014, 01:19 PM   #646
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You are going to make a blanket statement based on one staunchly conservative idiot's column from ten years ago? Go away.
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Old 01-04-2014, 02:28 PM   #647
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Actually, the belief that children benefit from having both a mother AND and father is based on:
1) observation
2) common sense
3) experience and wisdom
4) the acknowledgment that men and women are indeed different

Go away Iron Horse. Go away Phil Robertson. Go away Dennis Prager.
Empericalism is out and emotionalism now rules our minds.
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Great job you dudes have done to ensure that all children have a mother and a father.
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So what about the couples, both straight and gay that don't want children?
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Old 01-04-2014, 03:57 PM   #650
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Its been mentioned many times in this thread, and others, that children of same sex parenting turn out just fine. The only time it is "proven" that those children do not turn out well is when a conservative writes a biased piece or does a biased study that has little research or support by psychologists and sociologists.

Also, its ridiculous to rely on a 10 year old article as proof when same sex marriage and parenting has gotten more support and legalization - and the world has not fallen into anarchy or chaos, as predicted by some.
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Yeah, uhm, dudes, we're discussing same sex MARRIAGE here. Marriage does not imply having children. So why the fuck are children an argument for marriage?



Grasping at straws there?
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Also, who the hell cares?
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I kinda do... don't really like it when people tell me I can't get married.

Then again I live in a country where I can get married, so yea... but I feel sorry for the people who aren't allowed to get married because someone else claims a book doesn't allow them to.
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Actually, the belief that children benefit from having both a mother AND and father is based on:
1) observation
2) common sense
3) experience and wisdom
4) the acknowledgment that men and women are indeed different

Go away Iron Horse. Go away Phil Robertson. Go away Dennis Prager.
Empericalism is out and emotionalism now rules our minds.
"Allow me to frame this argument in a way that allows me to ignore evidence!" Your logic is a plague on society.
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I kinda do... don't really like it when people tell me I can't get married.
I know. I wasn't thinking of that. I was thinking about who the hell cares about the same old non-arguments trotted out occasionally by the same old frightened people who think that their "experience and wisdom" somehow gets to determine the course of your private life.
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Well sadly there's still people who believe those same old bullshit non-arguments.... and it's scary how much of those believers influence the people with power.
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Their days are coming to an end.

At least in the civilized world. They'll always be able to find homes in Russia or Uganda.
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True that, even in the US people are starting to realise that LGBT people are, just that, people.
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Actually, the belief that children benefit from having both a mother AND and father is based on:
1) observation
2) common sense
3) experience and wisdom
4) the acknowledgment that men and women are indeed different

Go away Iron Horse. Go away Phil Robertson. Go away Dennis Prager.
Empericalism is out and emotionalism now rules our minds.



I know several children who benefit greatly from having two mothers or two fathers.

It seems that parenting isn't contingent upon having opposite genitals.

IH also mentions that, somewhere, there are all these bad things that are happening now due to SSM. no specifics, just bad things.

List them.
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Actually, the belief that children benefit from having both a mother AND and father is based on:
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4) the acknowledgment that men and women are indeed different
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Empericalism is out and emotionalism now rules our minds.


you see the irony here?

you just listed emotional, "we know 'cause we know," "i just feel it in my gut" reasons than actual empirical facts based on studies and the actual lived in experiences of LGBT families and their children.

the Prager "column" is emotionalist nonsense, ignorant of reality, and designed to accomplish his real goal -- to make money.

i was reading the "Sunday Dispatch" thread earlier.

Iron Horse posts some really beautiful things in there.

it's a shame that kind words aren't for gay people, or their children.

and, finally, SSM and SSA (adoption) have nothing to do with one another. sure, it's likely that with more SSM, more children will be adopted -- which i guess is worse than abortions -- but there are lots of married people with no children, and lots of unmarried SS couples who have had children for years.

so, yes, "go away" is really the best response to self-interested idiots like Prager.
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