Same Sex Marriage Thread - Part III

[deep]

the almighty works in mysterious ways

who are we to question?

 

[PennyLanePHINS]

It's legal in Minnesota now (the land of the Wicked Witch of the North, Michele Bachmann!), passed the upper house. Just has to be signed and governor already said he will sign it. That's 12, and 3 in one week.

 

[Pearl]

Michelle Bachmann must be ripping her hair out now.

As for Russia, its interesting to see such rampant homophobia in a country who's most famous musical act was the faux lesbian duo TATU. Not that lesbian chic has anything to do with gay rights, but there's an irony for anyone to get off on two women getting it on but yet deny them the right to love each other - and that's for everyone not just Russians.

 

[deep]

yeah
what straight guy would want to look at that

 

[Irvine511]

It's legal in Minnesota now (the land of the Wicked Witch of the North, Michele Bachmann!), passed the upper house. Just has to be signed and governor already said he will sign it. That's 12, and 3 in one week.

I'm happy for Marcus Bachman.

 

[Irvine511]

Michelle Bachmann must be ripping her hair out now.

As for Russia, its interesting to see such rampant homophobia in a country who's most famous musical act was the faux lesbian duo TATU. Not that lesbian chic has anything to do with gay rights, but there's an irony for anyone to get off on two women getting it on but yet deny them the right to love each other - and that's for everyone not just Russians.

Tchaikovsky.

 

[Pearl]

Tchaikovsky.

Ah yes - but who else in recent memory?

 

[Irvine511]

i've always wanted to go to Brazil:

Brazilian panel opens door to same-sex marriage
May 14, 2013 | 1 Comment text sizeprintemailtranslate
By Michael K. Lavers on May 14, 2013

A Brazilian judicial panel on Tuesday ruled registrars in the South American country cannot deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

The newspaper O Globo reported members of the National Council of Justice that oversees Brazil’s judicial system ruled 14-1 in support of nuptials for gays and lesbians.

Agence France-Presse said the body “affirmed that the expression of homosexuality and homosexual affection cannot serve as a basis for discriminatory treatment, which has no support in the Constitution.” The news agency said Joaquim Barbosa, the chief justice of the Brazilian Supreme Federal Court who heads the National Council of Justice, referred to a 2011 ruling that said gays and lesbians can enter into civil unions.

Same-sex couples can legally tie the knot in Brasilia, the country’s capital, and 11 other states that include Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo. The panel’s ruling, however, appears to extend marriage rights to same-sex couples across the country.

Gays and lesbians can legally tie the knot in neighboring Argentina and 11 other countries, Mexico City and nine U.S. states and D.C.

Uruguay’s same-sex marriage law will take effect on Aug. 1. Lawmakers in New Zealand and France have also passed same-sex marriage bills in recent weeks.

The Colombian Senate last month rejected a bill that would have allowed nuptials for gays and lesbians in the South American country. Gays and lesbians in Colombia can legally register their relationships on June 20 if lawmakers fail to act upon the Constitutional Court’s 2011 ruling that ordered them to pass legislation within two years that extends the same benefits heterosexuals receive through marriage.

Chilean President Sebastián Piñera in 2011 proposed a bill that would extend civil unions to same-sex couples in the country.

He has yet to formally introduce it.

Brazil judicial panel opens door to gay marriage : Washington Blade – America's Leading Gay News Source

 

[Galeongirl]

What sick human being would do such a thing to their 'friend'. I mean, you'd guess some 'friends' never speak to another again when they come out, guess that is understandable when one doesn't agree with it(note, I don't state it's acceptable, just understandable for those narrowminded enough that they can't respect the one they love and who they are). Yet to murder someone and violate the body? Disgusting.


for Brazil and Minnesota though.

 

[deep]

BBC News - France gay marriage: Hollande signs bill into law

 

[Aygo]

Gay couples in Portugal win limited adoption rights

LISBON : Portugal’s parliament on Friday handed same-sex couples the right to adopt the children or foster children of one partner, a partial victory for equality campaigners that fell short of their call for full adoption rights.
The co-adoption law scraped through with a majority of just five votes in the 230-seat Lisbon assembly, prompting long applause from the gallery. Nine deputies abstained and as many as 28 did not show up for the vote.
Activists hailed the biggest step forward for gay rights since Portugal became the eighth country to allow nationwide same-sex marriages in 2010, breaking with the Catholic nation’s predominantly conservative image.
“It was a super-important, fundamental approval as it concerns the human rights of the children and not just the couples,” said Paulo Corte-Real, head the country’s gay, lesbian and transgender rights association, ILGA.
He said the law would benefit children raised by same-sex couples by giving the children additional protection if their original parent died or became seriously ill.
Catholic Church leaders have opposed moves by some European countries to allow same-sex unions and adoption by gay couples, saying heterosexual marriage has an indispensable role in society.
France, which is mainly Catholic, last month followed 13 countries including Canada, Denmark, Sweden and most recently Uruguay and New Zealand in allowing gay and lesbian couples to tie the knot.
The French law also authorised adoption.
The Portuguese bill, presented on the International Day Against Homophobia, still needs to be signed into law by conservative President Anibal Cavaco Silva, who enacted the same-sex marriage bill in 2010 but expressed his disapproval.
Another bill introduced by two left-wing parties that would have extended full adoption rights to gay couples failed to pass on Friday.
The ILGA took the Portuguese state to court after the European Court for Human Rights ruled in February that Austria’s adoption laws discriminated against gay people on the issue of co-adoption.
“That case will continue until the law comes fully into force,” said Corte-Real.
“And we will keep fighting for wider adoptions. Both of today’s votes show progress, even the rejection. Support for wider adoptions has grown since last year.”--REUTERS

The law is still imperfect. We have gay marriage. A single gay man/woman can adopt a child. Now, parenting is recognized to the partner of a gay man/woman who has a child biological or adopted.
...But a gay couple still is forbidden to adopt. Maybe it'll be the next step.

The law was expected to be rejected by the 60% of deputees of the right-wing parties who are in the Government now. But, surprisingly, 16 deputees of the biggest right-wing party voted for this law. I have to admit that, knowing those two parties and their historic against gay people, I'm surprised that those 16 voted for it...

 

[Galeongirl]

It's definitely a great start! May not be perfect equality yet, but it's getting there.

 

[Axver]

Well I see Kevin Rudd, former Prime Minister of Australia, has come out in favour of marriage equality. Would've been nice if he'd done that four years ago...

 

[cobl04]

Everyone has been critical of the timing but honestly, for me, I don't really care. He supports it now, and that rocks.

But thankfully, the Australian Christian Lobby released a statement in the nick of time, to ensure we all understand the grave repercussions of his change of heart - MR: Rudd’s change on marriage sets up a new stolen generation | Australian Christian Lobby

 

[Galeongirl]

Geez, they'll never find some new arguments will they?

Why oh why does marriage equal having kids to these people? Exactly how many people are married, and how many of them have kids? If they're so big on family values, and in their words

“What Kevin Rudd has failed to consider is that marriage is a compound right to form a family. Marriage is not just an affectionate relationship between two people regardless of gender.

“Marriage has always been about providing stability and biological identity for children wherever possible.

Why shouldn't they start attacking those married couples that do not want to have children then? Or those that can't have them due to illnesses/infertility?





I'd say marriage is exactly what they say it's not. An affectionate relationship between two people regardless of gender. Sure, they can have the relationship without marriage, but marriage is a way to make things easier by law. There's so many benefits for married couples, and with sharing of stuff and money it gets easier if you have that stupid piece of paper. And I do not want kids tyvm.

Mr Shelton said Mr Rudd had also ignored the fact that this inevitably means parents will have their children taught the mechanics of homosexual sex in school sex education classes, something that would surely follow the redefinition of marriage.

ERMAGHERD. It's not like they're being taught the exact mechanics of straight sex, now are they? So yea, all you gotta teach them children is that it's okay to be who you are, rather than that your feelings are dirty and sinful and you should never ever become who you are, rather just hide and be straight like anyone else in the bible....

“Wherever same sex marriage or equivalents have been legislated Christians have been pursued by activists. Christian businesses have been closed down, public servants and even pastors hauled into court and fined for exercising their conscience,” Mr Shelton said.

Wherever? I don't quite recall that happening in my country...

 

[IWasBored]

All that says to me is that they think it's preferable for kids to grow up in highly dysfunctional and abusive families, as long as they are the biological parents, and one of each gender.

Do people really think kids first learn about sex in sex ed classes anyway? Not to get into an argument on morals (really beginning to hate that word) desensitizing our country and making us used to more graphic sexual content in our eery day lives, or saying that five year olds should be shown porn or anything crazy like that, but if they don't teach that stuff til 8th grade like my middle school did, there's no way it's nothing they don't already know about it by the time they get to those classes. And it's not like it's difficult to figure the rest out if they're only taught about heterosexual intercourse. Or are we just pretending gay people don't exist as well? Oh, son, that kid who was teasing you at shook who called you a fudgepacker was actually just saying you're fat because you eat too much fudge...yeah, that's what he meant.

 

[Pearl]

All that says to me is that they think it's preferable for kids to grow up in highly dysfunctional and abusive families, as long as they are the biological parents, and one of each gender.

Do people really think kids first learn about sex in sex ed classes anyway? Not to get into an argument on morals (really beginning to hate that word) desensitizing our country and making us used to more graphic sexual content in our eery day lives, or saying that five year olds should be shown porn or anything crazy like that, but if they don't teach that stuff til 8th grade like my middle school did, there's no way it's nothing they don't already know about it by the time they get to those classes. And it's not like it's difficult to figure the rest out if they're only taught about heterosexual intercourse. Or are we just pretending gay people don't exist as well? Oh, son, that kid who was teasing you at shook who called you a fudgepacker was actually just saying you're fat because you eat too much fudge...yeah, that's what he meant.

It is hilarious that some parents are doing everything they can to shelter their kids. Granted, I understand some of it. Who wants to tell a 5 year old what oral sex is? But then again, it is best to tell them because we are in a more sex saturated world, thanks to the Internet. You have kids checking out porn at age 8. It's sad but its true.

But as the kids get older, it is foolish and silly to fight hard to shelter them. I know this one woman who tries to monitor what her teens read, lest they read an explicit sex scene. Sigh. I was reading scenes like that in high school and even junior high. Heck, When I was 12, I was watching explicit R rated movies late at night when my parents thought I was watching cartoons. I learned a lot about sex that way, and no, I did not run out and had sex with 100 guys. The idea of informing your kid or having kids know what sex really is would automatically lead to promiscuity is ridiculous. Teach them self-respect and responsibility and then they'll be OK.

 

[PennyLanePHINS]

What are the odds Australia legalizes it this year?

 

[Irvine511]

Add the UK to the list.

 

[deep]

the 'on the way' list

Britain's House of Commons votes to legalize gay marriage in England, Wales — RT News

 

[deep]

African American Pastors Coalition telling gays, 'back of the bus'.

Bill Clinton urges Illinois lawmakers to take action on gay marriage - Washington Times

 

[Jive Turkey]

pew pew

Far-right French historian, 78-year-old Dominique Venner, commits suicide in Notre Dame in protest against gay marriage - Europe - World - The Independent

 

[deep]

wow, i feel kind of bad now

what's the rush, maybe we better rethink this.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

pew pew

Far-right French historian, 78-year-old Dominique Venner, commits suicide in Notre Dame in protest against gay marriage - Europe - World - The Independent

Fair to say he won't be missed.

 

[cobl04]

What are the odds Australia legalizes it this year?

Absolutely zero. A more conservative govt than the one we have now will take over in September. It'll be at least three, more likely 6+ years sadly. Unless conservatives have a change of heart, or come to their senses a la David Cameron.

 

[Irvine511]

pew pew

Far-right French historian, 78-year-old Dominique Venner, commits suicide in Notre Dame in protest against gay marriage - Europe - World - The Independent

This is the most French thing I've ever heard of.

 

[Jive Turkey]

This is the most French thing I've ever heard of.

His last words were "hohn hohn hohn" as he twisted his pencil moustache and fended off would-be rescuers with a fresh baguette

 

[PhilsFan]

I like that he fears the invasion of Sharia Law and gay marriage, as if they are at all compatible.

 

[Irvine511]

I like that he fears the invasion of Sharia Law and gay marriage, as if they are at all compatible.

I can think of people in the US who fear both.

 

[Axver]

Absolutely zero. A more conservative govt than the one we have now will take over in September. It'll be at least three, more likely 6+ years sadly. Unless conservatives have a change of heart, or come to their senses a la David Cameron.

This. We're completely fucked in September.

That said, it is possible - maybe even probable - that an Australian state will legalise gay marriage this year. That will lead to a very interesting case in the courts. Whether or not a state can legalise gay marriage has not been tested, and constitutional law experts have conflicting opinions. I fear it would be struck down, but we'll see...