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Old 08-06-2012, 09:48 PM   #106
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Jive, that was a very serious post that I made, you should take it as so and give it the respect that it deserves...
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<--- this is me contemplating your serious post seriously
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You owe me a new monitor .

That is HILARIOUS, that story. Stupid people are funny.
I found this part of that story also pretty hilarious:

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Memphis Grizzlies backers hit the hay hoping that Kevin Love would open things up for Rudy Homosexual in the frontcourt.
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Why does the inclusion of same-sex couples involve a "redefining"?
Actually "radically redefining" would be more accurate.

You can find societies with arranged marriages, child brides, multiple partners and incestuous marriages. ALL involve members of the opposite sex. No religious teaching, secular philosopher or artist prior to this generation gave any moral reasoning or artistic expression of same-sex marriage.

Or am I wrong?
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Or maybe "redefining" involves consent now.

I guess if there's no art about it, it didn't exist?
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Actually "radically redefining" would be more accurate.

You can find societies with arranged marriages, child brides, multiple partners and incestuous marriages. ALL involve members of the opposite sex. No religious teaching, secular philosopher or artist prior to this generation gave any moral reasoning or artistic expression of same-sex marriage.

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Actually "radically redefining" would be more accurate.

You can find societies with arranged marriages, child brides, multiple partners and incestuous marriages. ALL involve members of the opposite sex. No religious teaching, secular philosopher or artist prior to this generation gave any moral reasoning or artistic expression of same-sex marriage.

Or am I wrong?


History of same-sex unions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

aside from that, why am i so awful? how am i going to single-handedly tear down and destroy/redefine this apparently ageless, timeless, eternal, sacred union?

but, i mean, let's let history be our guide when it comes to slavery, democracy, women's rights, etc.
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Amway Linked To Anti-Gay Marriage Group; Fred Karger, LGBT Activist, Calls For Boycott

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Amway, the Michigan-based direct selling company, has been linked to an anti-gay marriage group, and now a prominent activist for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community is calling for a boycott.
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The company donated $500,000 to the National Organization for Marriage (NOM) in 2009, according to ABC News. That donation was used to fight equal rights across the nation,
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Amway, founded in 1959 by Jay Van Andel and Richard DeVos, has been affiliated with a Christian conservative ideology for years. "The founding families are fervently conservative, fervently Christian, and hugely influential in the Republican Party," according to a Business Week article from 1998.
Fervently conservative, Christian and Republican. Three strikes and you're out.
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but, i mean, let's let history be our guide when it comes to slavery, democracy, women's rights, etc.
But there's been art about these things, right?
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Oh, we're counting Pagans?

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aside from that, why am i so awful?
I don't remember saying that. I recognize all your human and constitutional rights which is why I support civil unions. Marriage, wife, husband, bride, groom and spouse all have meanings and definitions however. I understand perfectly why you might wish to marry someone you love at some time in your life. I'm not patronizing you when I tell you I wish you happiness in your life. It just happens that you've bought into a narrative that I haven't:

That men and women are interchangeable apart from their plumbing and that marriage is a civil right. And maybe to some degree that to be against same-sex marriage is to be anti-gay. I don't believe those things... you do. That is the difference.

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, just get that simple point across in some way.
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Or maybe "redefining" involves consent now.

I guess if there's no art about it, it didn't exist?
Very busy but I will respond to your answers of a few days ago.
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