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Old 03-27-2013, 10:06 AM   #931
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I spent most of last night stumbling from bar to bar telling every two men or two women I met that I was on their side. Fact: most dudes do NOT want you to think that they're gay.
Tonight, go to a more gay friendly area so you'll know any two dudes you speak to are gay
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Old 03-27-2013, 11:09 AM   #932
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I spent most of last night stumbling from bar to bar telling every two men or two women I met that I was on their side. Fact: most dudes do NOT want you to think that they're gay.
That ends up being a serious issue, at least down here. It's such an apathetic topic outside of the few batshit crazy extremist religious people. Nobody wants to be labeled as gay.

Something I noticed yesterday on Facebook was the fact that everyone who changed their profile picture on my friends list with the whole red HRC logo was either gay or a married woman over 30.

There's a lot more "silent" or apathetic support out there.
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Old 03-27-2013, 11:20 AM   #933
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I'd like to change my profile picture to that logo. Too bad my radically conservative family will go batshit insane on me. To be safe, I'll just post articles. I won't be silent but I don't want to stir up anything because I am not exaggerating about my family.
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I spent most of last night stumbling from bar to bar telling every two men or two women I met that I was on their side. Fact: most dudes do NOT want you to think that they're gay.

wait, that was you?
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this was good:

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Jim DeMint’s Misfire on Marriage
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Jim DeMint, former senator and future president of the Heritage Foundation, writes a column for USA Today opposing gay marriage. But like so many social conservatives, he supports his position with a sleight of hand. DeMint writes:

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Without strong families grounded in marriage, we cannot hold back the ever-expanding power of government. As the marriage culture weakens, Big Government grows. Just look how the welfare state has expanded as the unwed childbearing rate has grown from single digits in the 1960s to more than 40% today.
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Marriage policy exists to encourage a man and a woman to commit to each other permanently and exclusively as husband and wife and to be father and mother to any children. Sound marriage policy strengthens civil society and reduces the role of government.

The erosion of marriage costs taxpayers. And it’s not just conservatives who say this. Even the left-leaning think tank, Brookings Institution, attributed $229 billion in welfare expenditures between 1970 and 1996 to the breakdown of marriage.
Yes indeed. Stable families are less likely to be on welfare. As Ron Haskins and Isabel Sawhill of Brookings write,

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Our research shows that if you want to avoid poverty and join the middle class in the United States, you need to complete high school (at a minimum), work full time and marry before you have children. If you do all three, your chances of being poor fall from 12 percent to 2 percent, and your chances of joining the middle class or above rise from 56 to 74 percent.
But DeMint and other social conservatives make a logical leap when they connect that point to gay marriage. Gay people making the emotional and financial commitments of marriage is not the cause of family breakdown or welfare spending.

When DeMint says that “family breakdown” is causing poverty – and thus a demand for higher government spending – he knows that he’s really talking about unwed motherhood, divorce, children growing up without fathers, and the resulting high rates of welfare usage and crime.

So why raise the problems of broken families and then propose to prevent gay people from getting married? Why all the focus on issues that would do nothing to solve the problems of “family breakdown” and what DeMint has elsewhere called “the high cost of a dysfunctional society”? Well, solving the problems of divorce and unwed motherhood is hard. And lots of Republican and conservative voters have been divorced. A constitutional amendment to ban divorce wouldn’t go over very well with even the social-conservative constituency. A legal ban on premarital sex would address the problem, but even social conservatives realize that it would be an imprudent exercise of state power. Far better to pick on a small group, a group not perceived to be part of the Republican constituency, and blame them for social breakdown and its associated costs.

But you won’t find your keys on Main Street if you dropped them on Green Street, and you won’t reduce the costs of social breakdown by keeping gays unmarried and not letting them adopt orphans.

Jim DeMint's Misfire on Marriage | Cato Institute
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Well Im from the same/similar situation. At some point I just stopped caring. Gotta love life ya know?
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Well Im from the same/similar situation. At some point I just stopped caring. Gotta love life ya know?
I know I should care less about what my family thinks of me. But I've been mocked and ridiculed before for openly supporting SSM and it sucked. And I wouldn't be surprised if they think I'm gay because I'm also single at the moment. Can you imagine the ridicule then?

But, meh. What can you do? Screw them, you know?
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I know I should care less about what my family thinks of me. But I've been mocked and ridiculed before for openly supporting SSM and it sucked. And I wouldn't be surprised if they think I'm gay because I'm also single at the moment. Can you imagine the ridicule then?

But, meh. What can you do? Screw them, you know?
Where I come from they still think converting you is an option.

Can I imagine the ridicule? Yeah I live it. That's my point from before though. It shouldn't matter. I know that's not easy though.

Effectively, yes. Screw them. They can think whatever they want. Soon they'll be dated and so will their bigoted views.
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NBC News reporting that the Supreme Court is "likely" to strike down DOMA.
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It's tough to do, not care what anyone thinks, especially family. And you do run the risk of losing them, or alienating them with your views. But would you rather hold your feelings in and pretend to be something just to appease a select few? Live your life, and let those who don't agree with you stand aside.

But back to the SSM. I still don't get what children have to do with this issue? Not every couple that gets married are going to have kids. If that is a requirement, then no female over the age of 45 or so should be allowed to marry or get remarried. Same thing with any male who's been fixed (I would fall into this).

Broken families are a straight couple issue. Let's put the focus as to why families are breaking down. It has nothing to do with Steve marrying Steve.
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But back to the SSM. I still don't get what children have to do with this issue? Not every couple that gets married are going to have kids. If that is a requirement, then no female over the age of 45 or so should be allowed to marry or get remarried. Same thing with any male who's been fixed (I would fall into this).
Well then you just can't meet INDY's definition of "ideal".
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wait, that was you?
I'm on your side!
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The only thing that makes me sad about this is that, in a few years time, we'll probably never here the acronym "DOMA" anymore. Does anyone else find it ironic that they gave their anti-gay-marriage act such a phallic sounding name?
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Well then you just can't meet INDY's definition of "ideal".

i also don't understand how we promote said "ideal" by punishing gay people and their children.
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Well then you just can't meet INDY's definition of "ideal".
That is a burden I will carry to my grave I'm afraid
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