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Old 03-19-2013, 12:30 PM   #871
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awesome, and the right thing, but isn't it strange that Republicans only seem to find compassion when their self-interest is at stake?

I've been saying since I was too young to know any better that this is a hallmark of being Republican.
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What's really significant: SSM is supported by 81% (!!!) of 18-29 year olds.
Just one more thing to like about kids.
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Christ. Don't scroll down the link if you're even slightly faint of heart.

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‘A rebel announced that Mohamed Baashi, along with a man who had been accused of murder, had both confessed to their crimes.’

The man accused of murder was allegedly shot to death.

‘This is the day of justice,’ the group quote the judge as saying. ‘We investigated, and this man did what Muslims shouldn’t do.

‘As a result, he will be stoned to death and the one that killed someone will be shot because homosexuality is more punishable in Islam.’
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Heinous as that was, I'm not surprised that radical Muslims would be so barbaric toward gays. If they treat their women like second class citizens and stone them over the slightest rumor that their wife, sister or daughter is not a virgin, why should we be expect that gay people would be treated any better? It will take eons for Muslim extremists to even consider gay rights, or perhaps never. They're just not ignorant; I think they're just batshit insane.
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you know how we've talked about how conservatives appear to have a compassion/empathy deficit?

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Retiring Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) said that he won't be following Sen. Rob Portman's (R-Ohio) recent support for gay marriage.

"I’m not gay. So I’m not going to marry one," he told Politico in an article published Thursday.

Chambliss' curt non-sequitur may illustrate how long it will take for other Republican senators to back gay marriage. Portman, the first GOP senator to do so, said his support was a result of his son's coming out; he wanted his son to have the same right to marry as straight people have, he said. Portman's decision, which came three days before former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's announcement that she also supported gay marriage, was unexpected given his conservatism and past opposition to it.

Portman said earlier this week that he didn't think his GOP colleagues were rethinking the issue. However, he said they supported him. "I thanked them, because I've had a number of people come up and express personal support for me and my family. And that's what I talked about. I circulated the op-ed so everybody saw it in my words," he said.

When asked by HuffPost whether he wished it didn't have to require a personal experience to change his views, he responded, "Well, it did," and adding that he was more focused on economic issues.

then again, this is a man who trashed a man who lost 3 limbs in Vietnam in order to win office, when he himself avoided Vietnam via medical deferments, so there's that.
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Heinous as that was, I'm not surprised that radical Muslims would be so barbaric toward gays. If they treat their women like second class citizens and stone them over the slightest rumor that their wife, sister or daughter is not a virgin, why should we be expect that gay people would be treated any better? It will take eons for Muslim extremists to even consider gay rights, or perhaps never. They're just not ignorant; I think they're just batshit insane.
Yeah, I don't think these extremists are ever accepting it. Same with the orthodox christians or jews. But I don't think that'll be an issue in the future. Because orthodox relious peple are a dying breed. People aren't going to church every day, they don't listen to what the father/imam has to say as much anymore, people are more and more starting to think for themselves!

I think that survey is an example of that. Most young people these days are much more free of mind, they don't share the extreme views their grandparents or sometimes even parents have. They don't follow a book literally anymore. Sure, religion will always exist, and it's probably good that it is. But I hope that one day the people who take a book for the absolute truth, and hate and kill others for not following their book, will cease to exist.
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Yeah, I don't think these extremists are ever accepting it. Same with the orthodox christians or jews. But I don't think that'll be an issue in the future. Because orthodox relious peple are a dying breed. People aren't going to church every day, they don't listen to what the father/imam has to say as much anymore, people are more and more starting to think for themselves!

I think that survey is an example of that. Most young people these days are much more free of mind, they don't share the extreme views their grandparents or sometimes even parents have. They don't follow a book literally anymore. Sure, religion will always exist, and it's probably good that it is. But I hope that one day the people who take a book for the absolute truth, and hate and kill others for not following their book, will cease to exist.
I agree. I think the world, or at least the developed world, is heading towards less religion and more spirituality which I think is what God had in mind all along.

Psst...I don't know how it is in Holland, but the term "orthodox" usually refers to Eastern Christians, like the Greeks and Russians. I'm just pointing that out because I was confused with your post at first
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I think there are about 7 billion people on the planet
lots of different belief systems, cultures. I am not going to sit here in sunny California and assume that from my vantage point and personal experiences I can extrapolate what will happen globally. But from reading, and seeking out multiple sources of information, I can say that in at least 1/2 the the places on the globe things are not getting better anytime soon. Belief systems are powerful things and there are new adherents every day.
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Oh, sorry that's a mistranslation then. Ehm, here orthodox is the word we use for extremist religion. I thought it was a word we stole from English, apparently not.
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Rove sees potential support for gay marriage : Stltoday

if William Kennedy does not vote with the sane side, he is an idiot
I really hope Thomas and Scalia don't cave
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The consensus prediction seems to be that Prop 8 and DOMA are gone, and the states will decide the rest.

A glance through all but the most socially conservative websites and a listen to the talk shows this weekend reveals that the GOP thought infrastructure is prepping their base to embrace SSM. They know its a losing issue for them, now and for the future.
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it could go that way

then in a few years, we will have boycotted states, like what happened with MLK Jr. day.
Nevada and FL would flip in a hurry
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