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Old 09-24-2012, 10:33 PM   #571
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I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that his Christianity played second fiddle to his mental state, but whatever you like
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And now the thread is totally derailed.
Because it wasn't nearly weird enough in the last few pages.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:53 PM   #573
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I'd say it's an indication on how ridiculous it is to be having a debate on same sex marriage in 2012
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Agreed wholeheartedly on that.
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So why isn't this "among the more offensive, nasty posts in this thread"? I see no disclaimers or effort to disassociate present day conservatives from the Nazis lurking in the shadows of right-wing history.

What? Go read again. Given the extreme tolerance I show your shocking posts comparing my life to incest, you at least owe me that.
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But, in the current, lazy rewriting of history Nazi Germany must be right-wing because they liked big guns and invaded Russia and Joseph Stalin (the definition of Left).


And this is hilarious in that its the definition of lazy rewriting.
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France Proposes Banning Words 'Mother' And 'Father' From Government Documents As Part Of Gay Marriage Legalization

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France Proposes Banning Words 'Mother' And 'Father' From Government Documents As Part Of Gay Marriage Legalization

France could very well become the next nation to legalize same-sex marriage, but lawmakers have reportedly gone a step further with a proposal that could ban the use of the words "mother" and "father" from all government documents.

The Telegraph cites the draft law as specifying that "marriage is a union of two people, of different or the same gender," and also states that all references to "mothers and fathers" in the nation's civil code will be swapped for the non-gender-specific "parents." In addition, the law would also give equal adoption rights to same-sex couples, the publication notes.

France’s Justice Minister Christiane Taubira is quoted as telling French newspaper La Croix, "Who is to say that a heterosexual couple will bring a child up better than a homosexual couple, that they will guarantee the best conditions for the child's development? What is certain is that the interest of the child is a major preoccupation for the government."

Not surprisingly, the move has incensed France's Catholic population, who last month revived a centuries-old custom with an updated national prayer that included references to both same-sex marriage and euthanasia reforms that are currently being planned by the government. Last week, Cardinal Philippe Barbarin warned followers that legalized incest and polygamy could potentially follow if same-sex couples earn the right to wed.

"Gay marriage would herald a complete breakdown in society," he is quoted by the Daily Mail as saying during a radio interview. "This could have innumerable consequences. Afterward they will want to create couples with three or four members. And after that, perhaps one day the taboo of incest will fall."

The draft law will be reportedly be presented to President Francois Hollande's cabinet for approval on Oct. 31. Same-sex and heterosexual civil unions, which offer limited benefits for couples, have been legal in France since 1999, Reuters reports
Spinning the world "forward" towards incertitude and vagueness.
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Spinning the world "forward" towards incertitude and vagueness.
What do you mean?

If incertitude and vaguness were your concern, surely you wouldn't want legislation referencing a mother when the child's guardians are two fathers. If anything would lead to legal uncertainty...
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A mother and a father remain the same beings and have the same title in all other ways, do they not? Yes I think that's probably being done just for legal reasons.
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Spinning the world "forward" towards incertitude and vagueness.

right. legalize marriage for everyone regardless of sexual orientation so everyone is treated equally. much more certain and clear.
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A mother and a father remain the same beings and have the same title in all other ways, do they not? Yes I think that's probably being done just for legal reasons.
Oh, no, no, it must actually SAY whether or not they're the mother or father on the documents, otherwise people will...be too stupid and/or confused to figure out who's whom, I guess, or something. I dunno.

Anywho, that's France's decision . Whoop-de-doo.
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Damnit! Tasmania's marriage equality bill passed the lower house, but it failed in the upper house today, 5-9.

Over to you, WA or SA or NSW.
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Scratch that - the reports that the vote had taken place were apparently jumping the gun. Debate's been adjourned without a vote, but already 8 of the fifteen members of the Tassie Legislative Council have said they'll vote against it. 6 will support it, one is unknown. So best to hope for is that it'll go down by a single vote, 7-8 ... or even better, someone completely cocks up.
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I'll say this about the votes going on in some of the Australian parliaments these days; cold comfort though it might seem, it wasn't that many years ago you'd have struggled to get a single 'yea'. Times do change.
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