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Old 09-19-2012, 09:50 AM   #526
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I don't quite understand your PhD topic. Can you expand on that a bit? Sounds interesting.
Basically it looks at the concept of pain as a construct rather than a biological phenomenon. I try to understand how Romans conceptualized pain and draw some conclusions about what actually caused it and how they dealt with it. Hopefully this will have some wider implications about identity and culture in general.
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September 19, 2012, 11:09 a.m.

Chick-fil-A has pledged to stop giving money to anti-gay groups and to back off political and social debates after an executive’s comments this summer landed the fast-food chain smack in the middle of the gay marriage debate.

The Civil Rights Agenda, which dubs itself the largest lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender advocacy group in Illinois, said Chick-fil-A agreed in meetings to stop donating to groups such as Focus on the Family and the National Organization for Marriage. Such groups oppose same-sex marriage.

A report from LGBT advocacy group Equality Matters found that between 2003 and 2009, Chick-fil-A donated more than $3 million to Christian groups that oppose homosexuality. In 2010, the fast food company gave nearly $2 million to such causes, according to the report.

The LGBT collective said the Atlanta-based restaurant chain also sent a letter, signed by its senior director of real estate, to Chicago Alderman Joe Moreno.

Chick-fil-A said in the missive that its nonprofit arm, the WinShape Foundation, “is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas,” according to TCRA.

Moreno helped fan this summer’s controversy, after Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy said his company was “guilty as charged” of supporting the biblical definition of the family unit. Moreno, who runs Chicago’s trendy Northwest Side ward, said he would block the chain from opening shop in his area.

Now, according to the Chicago Tribune, Moreno has softened his stance and will allow Chick-fil-A in.

The restaurant firm may have helped mend the relationship by also promising to amend an official company document to reflect that its “intent is not to engage in political or social debates,” according to TCRA.

The document, called “Chick-fil-A: Who We Are,” will also state that the chain will “treat every person with honor, dignity and respect -- regardless of their beliefs, race, creed, sexual orientation and gender.” The company took a similar stance this summer, as politicians, celebrities and customers around the country began taking sides.

Outside of that statement, Chick-fil-A spokesman Jerry Johnston said the company is “not offering any response” to the news from TCRA.

“Chick-fil-A has taken a big step forward," said Anthony Martinez, TCRA’s executive director, in a statement. “We are encouraged by their willingness to serve all people and ensure their profits are not used to fight against a minority community that is still trying to gain full and equal civil rights.”

Now, the group wants Chick-fil-A to put in a corporate anti-discrimination policy to address complaints about a “culture of discrimination within the company,” it said.
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My point has never been that marriage laws and customs don't change. Only that the process matters. In a republic the morals and values of the citizens should be reflected in the laws. And in a democracy laws should be enacted with the consent of the governed, i.e. not by judges overturning the will of the people.
So you are comfortable with a tyrannical majority?
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iron yuppie, that sounds incredibly fascinating. Hope the studies go well, it'd be great to hear the findings on that topic.

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Wish the right the world over would adopt David Cameron's position: "I don't support gay marriage in spite of being a conservative; I support gay marriage because I am a conservative."
Exactly. Never ceases to amaze me how someone can claim to be a conservative and support minimal government interference only to then turn around and support the government actively interfering in and regulating people's love lives.

Also, good news to hear that about Chick-fil-A. Be interesting to see how that pans out.
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Basically it looks at the concept of pain as a construct rather than a biological phenomenon. I try to understand how Romans conceptualized pain and draw some conclusions about what actually caused it and how they dealt with it. Hopefully this will have some wider implications about identity and culture in general.
Man this sounds really interesting. What's it involve? An X-word thesis?

I've always prided myself on being able to bullshit through university assignments (I've essentially made it into an art form) but this sounds like it actually requires knowledge an hard work
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Man this sounds really interesting. What's it involve? An X-word thesis?

I've always prided myself on being able to bullshit through university assignments (I've essentially made it into an art form) but this sounds like it actually requires knowledge an hard work
I'm not familiar with the term "x-word thesis," I'm afraid.

It's actually very tedious work: going through texts and looking for the ways in which certain words are used and the contexts in which they appear. There will also be an art history element to it. It's a long road.
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I'm not familiar with the term "x-word thesis," I'm afraid.

It's actually very tedious work: going through texts and looking for the ways in which certain words are used and the contexts in which they appear. There will also be an art history element to it. It's a long road.
Oh the X was just a substitute for a word count.

I wish you luck.
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yeah, i heard john key saying he had no problem with allowing same sex marriage to be legalised, despite saying exactly the opposite when he was campaigning for pm. but hey, it just goes to show how times have changed (or if you want to be cynical, how desperately he wants to be re-elected when that time comes).
I just get the impression John Key is apathetic towards it - just like he's apathetic towards anything that doesn't personally affect him. At least he's not completely dense and can see that voting for rather than against will ultimately mean he won't be remembered for opposing the inevitable (unlike Seddon being remembered as the PM whose government defied him and enfranchised women).

Personally, I'm stunned Peter Dunne voted in favour of the first reading. I thought United Future would be vehemently against marriage equality!
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More disappointment: the marriage equality bill before the Australian Senate failed today, 26-41. Another reason to hate Stephen Conroy - as if there were not enough already - is that he was one of the ALP Senators who voted against it. The 26 supporters were the nine Greens, independent Nick Xenophon, and 16 from the ALP including the Senate leader Chris Evans and (obviously enough) Penny Wong.

Sue Boyce from the Libs, who has been very vocal about her support for marriage equality, was absent from the vote instead of crossing the floor. Slightly disappointed but at least absenting herself is a step better than Turnbull's cowardice.
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What's the difference between the house of reps, the senate, the upper house, the lower house, the backbench, the front bench, etc.
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In simple terms:

House of Representatives (lower house): members represent a local electorate, and electorates are determined by population - hence more populous states have more members.
Senate (upper house): members represent their state or territory. Each state receives the same amount of members, twelve. The two territories receive two Senators each.

Frontbench and backbench are from the House of Reps. Government is formed in the House, and those who hold government office - i.e. ministers - sit on the frontbench (or in the case of the opposition, frontbenchers are shadow ministers). Backbenchers are not holders of government/shadow office, so it's less prestigious; backbenchers are usually early career politicians, senior figures who have been demoted, or politicians who for whatever reason choose to sit neither in the ministry or the shadow ministry.

And this is why our system is called the Washminster system, since it is a hybrid of the Westminster and Washington systems.

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Further bad news: looks like Tassie's marriage equality bill will narrowly fail to pass its Senate. So it'll fall to another state to be the first to legislate for marriage equality. Most states have pending bills so it'll probably happen by the end of the year, and then - as I've noted already - the country will probably be off to the federal high court to determine whether the states actually have the constitutional ability to legalise same-sex marriage.
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So you are comfortable with a tyrannical majority?
Are we talking about the Democrats forcing Obamacare through the Congress without one Republican vote?
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Are we talking about the Democrats forcing Obamacare through the Congress without one Republican vote?

You are aware that this is a representative democracy that also has three branches of government one of which is te judiciary?
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I'm not trying to take your responses to me out of context but here are a few that tickled me. I have to say that arguing with you is like arguing with a Dorato on the end of a fishing line. Once you're on there's no telling what direction you'll run.

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I'm not trying to take your responses to me out of context but here are a few. I have to say that arguing with you is like arguing with a Dorato on the end of a fishing line. Once you're on there's no telling what direction you'll run.

his defense for incest (you really think I was defending or making a case for incest?)

deep seated bigotry

Your comparisons to older women and people with Downs Syndrome is shameful


it's the lack of wisdom in that same book that tries to keep the world from spinning forward (in response to my response to another poster bringing up incest in the Bible, something I had avoided up this point)

statements like this completely reveal your bigotry and blind acceptance of the crap in the bible

So you've admitted that you think homosexuality is immoral. (in response to my saying "In a republic the morals and values of the citizens should be reflected in the laws."
You'll run in any direction except the direction I'm going. Which was that incest laws vary but historically they were not, and still are not, imposed primarily because of inbreeding fears. But for moral reasons and the benefit of society as a whole.

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It's your bigoted and ignorant bible that implemented the bannings and executions
Your aggressive hostility to values informed by religious teachings which have been passed on and tested for thousands of years as opposed to values informed by pop culture and emotions is... puzzling to me.

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I assume eugenics is part of your forthcoming, obligatory slippery slope argument?
Eugenics did, and could only, originate from the Left and progressivism. The notion that a human suffering from severe disabilities is of lesser moral worth and therefore less desirable to society is incompatible with both Christianity and constitutional conservatism.
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