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Old 09-11-2012, 10:21 AM   #391
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He should not be bringing up gay marriage as having any relation with incest.
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Old 09-15-2012, 12:30 AM   #392
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This director may be looking to create controversy just to bring attention to his movie, but I am still appalled by his comments. Anyone who brings up bestiality, incest and what-have-you in regards to the SSM argument is ruining the argument for the issue, no matter how slight. And for anyone to suggest consensual incest is OK or those who commit bestiality are like anyone else are completely out of their minds. I can go on forever complaining about those people.
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Why is incest illegal?
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He should not be bringing up gay marriage as having any relation with incest.
Why? Can't two brothers or two sisters fall in love just as easily as a brother and a sister?
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Why is incest illegal?
Hate and bigotry.
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Why is incest illegal?
How long ago was it that gay marriage was illegal?
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Old 09-15-2012, 01:18 AM   #397
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How long ago was it that gay marriage was illegal?


are you comparing being gay to committing incest?

why can i marry my first female cousin in many states but not my first male cousin?
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Hate and bigotry.


try again, Mr. Facile Comparisons.
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Let me ask you what more than a dozen people have asked me in this thread: How does two people loving each other hurt you?
Funny, Indy. Funny

You seem to lack empathy or any basic scientific understanding. You continually post not only anti-SSM comments, but also anti-gay comments, knowing full well we have Irvine here who is openly gay. I'm sure you are aware that there are plenty of other gay Interferencers who lurk in FYM and see your bigoted comments.

And yet you don't care. You go on hurting people.

Shame on you. Really!
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Why is incest illegal?
Because of genetic reasons. It's all a matter of survival of the fittest, and if we start allowing brothers and sisters to mate and reproduce, the offspring is far more likely to have genetic defects or diseases. Which they, in turn, will pass on to their offspring, and thus you create a weak population that will eventually die out.


Yea, it ain't romantic. I know. But that's basically it I guess. Don't get me wrong, if two people truly love each other, I'm not the person to tell them they can't. But in order for humans to stay strong, it's better they don't have babies.
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It's somewhat legal in a number of countries. And personally I don't really give a fuck, to be honest.

But while you were joking around INDY, it's pretty offensive, when you consider that incestuous relationships can result in birth defects and so on, while the word itself comes from a Latin word meaning not pure.

So for you to compare it to homosexuality is disgraceful.
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Perhaps worth adding to my post, is that in terms of what is good for the preservation of our species, allowing SSM's would actually be positive.

The world is over populated, and it's getting worse and worse. While we're improving healthcare, we're keeping people alive much longer, and thus overpopulating the world even more. All these people having unprotected sex isn't helping either. Unwanted pregnancies etc.

Which is another argument with abortion, but yeah, let's not go there in this thread.

The point is, my argument for incest is that they can be together but can't reproduce. Yet, what do we have with a same sex couple? People that can love each other, can be together, BUT, they can't reproduce! So less people coming onto the planet. SSM's are actually great against the over population of the planet.
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How long ago was it that gay marriage was illegal?
Missed the mark on that one...
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Old 09-15-2012, 12:48 PM   #404
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I'll just throw out a blanket answer here. Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong.

1) Prohibitions on incestuous marriages are thousands of years old predating any possible understanding of genetics.

2) Effects of inbreeding take generations to appear in humans being statistically no more common than birth defects in children of older mothers. Do we prohibit them from marrying, having children? Chromosomal abnormalities such as trisomy would be up to twice as high in brother-sister marriages but don't explain restrictions on 2nd cousin/2nd cousin or uncle/niece marriages. Do we prohibit adults with Down Syndrome from marrying and having children although there is a 50% chance a child born to a mother with DS will have DS?

3) It isn't 1600 anymore. Most trisomy affected fetuses miscarriage or, after an amniocentesis diagnosis, can and are aborted.

3) Birth defects are of no concern if two brothers wish to marry, why restrict them?

4) What happened to equal protection?

5) We know we can't use religious arguments from old books against incestuous marriages anymore. Debating from wisdom or tradition doesn't spin the world forward it only protects the status quo. So I guess, like same-sex marriage, the only argument is the yuck factor right?

6) The only way my comments can be misconstrued as hurtful to gays or supporters of SSM is if they're forced to acknowledge they don't believe in the right to marry "no matter who you love" any more than I do. That's my only point.
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The biggest distinction for me is that incest is not an orientation in the way that homosexuality is.
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