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Old 08-03-2012, 01:40 PM   #16
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Not in S.F., Boston or Chicago pastor... you don't share their "values."
This Pastor not only has unchristian values, but he's also not very bright. He was on the Laura Ingram show yesterday to talk about this very same thing, and she lobbed him what she thought was going to be a softball question; "what do you say to those that compare this to the fight for interracial marriage?" He stumbled, avoided the question and then placed his foot in his mouth. They both proved the hypocrisy of their views on live radio.

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What do you value more? Equality or liberty?
You like the word 'liberty', but after years of your posts we've all seen that you really don't understand what it means.
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:40 PM   #17
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What do you value more? Equality or liberty?
How do you define liberty? I think we all think we mean the same thing when we use a word and much of the time we don't.

More and more, I'm starting to see it as an abstract, meaningless term.

Or maybe a term that allows somebody to be a dick without any understanding/expectation of repercussions.

There won't ever be true equality. A little bit more fairness wouldn't hurt.
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:43 PM   #18
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How would the legalization of same sex marriage in all 50 states affect you? Come on, give all of FYM one good reason! I don't think you ever really have.
I think we're still waiting on this. We're still waiting on his "reasoned opinions" and how did he put it, "repercussions"...
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Because he cannot give one reason that isn't a personal feeling or belief, and therefore doesn't actually mean anything to anyone else but him.

This is a basic right that is denied to a portion of our population. They are not getting more rights, or more privledges than anyone else, they are asking to be treated equal.

Because your faith disagree's with same sex marriage doesn't mean your beliefs should be imposed on others. It's plain and simple as that. You don't want Sharia Law imposed on you, and you don't want your ability to express your faith removed completely.

The feelings of a majority isn't a right to rule on the minority. Let them get married, go on with your life, and see if anything changes (nothing will change, and if anything does, it's not related to gay marriage).
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Smith was pretty harsh. People need to work, they need to pay their bills and finding work is not easy. For all he knew, that girl could've been a gay rights supporter or actually a lesbian herself. He should've directed his rage toward the Chick-Fil-A CEO rather than someone in need of a paycheck.
exactly. i've always been a supporter of gay rights (thanks mom) and i only worked there because they were the only place in town that hired at 14. not everyone can afford to quit their job just because they find out their ceo doesn't feel the same about an issue as them.

on a positive note though, someone on my friends list who i was afraid would be supportive of the ceo (if she mentioned it at all, she's not very political) actually posted an article about the same sex kiss day event there and said how awesome it was. so yay.
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this is a basic right that is denied to a portion of our population. They are not getting more rights, or more privileges than anyone else, they are asking to be treated equal.

Because your faith disagrees with same sex marriage doesn't mean your beliefs should be imposed on others. It's plain and simple as that. You don't want sharia law imposed on you, and you don't want your ability to express your faith removed completely.

The feelings of a majority isn't a right to rule on the minority. Let them get married, go on with your life, and see if anything changes (nothing will change, and if anything does, it's not related to gay marriage).
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Even in my liberal college town the "haters" were deployed in full force and our wait was 50 minutes.

True grassroots activism, community organizing and the use of social media isn't supposed to happen from the Right is it? Oh, oh, might spell trouble come this November.

I wish that many people would crowd farmer's markets.

You know who the real winner is here? Pharmaceuticals. Everyone that went to CFA in the masses just brought themselves one white box closer to diabetes. How sad is it that these people felt that risking their health was worth proving a point? Did they prove a point? Everyone who stays away from fast food is going to enjoy a longer, healthier life...regardless of who they marry.

Americans already have the obesity stereotype, and that's how the rest of the world sees us. So it would not surprise me if the rest of the world is laughing about how ridiculous this whole thing is.
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Even in my liberal college town the "haters" were deployed in full force and our wait was 50 minutes.
I think it's really embarrassing to stand in line for nearly an hour for disgusting deep fried chicken by-product.
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What do you value more? Equality or liberty?


for me, equality is liberty. see how that works? they're not mutually opposed to one another.
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It's too bad these "christians" don't create lines around the building when it's a food bank handing out food to the poor and homeless, for this is ACTUALLY something Jesus spoke about. No, these hypocrites would rather focus on the distorted sins that don't effect them rather than the ones that actually define them.
Yeah, I've seen that meme going around.

You do know that tens of millions of Christians every week do indeed line up to serve the homeless, right? Feed the hungry? Pray with the sick? Advocate on behalf of health care for the poorest amongst us? Are you positive that a few of the people who lined up as a calm, peaceful protest about an issue they care about deeply aren't also lining up regularly to feed the poor and homeless?

I'm not sure that the best way to combat prejudice is more prejudice. The best way to combat ignorance is with education and grace. To do otherwise reduces humanity on both sides of the discussion.
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You know, reading these posts I've really given up on the hope that people will some day understand what freedom of speech means.
Exactly what I think when I read posts defending hate speech laws, campus speech codes, political correctness, vilifying Citizens United or when liberal metropolitan mayors threaten to use the powers of government to remove businesses with nonconforming "values." The very definition of fascism.
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really what's important is that you remain free to feel unchallenged and totally comfortable opposing (without any rational basis!) basic civil rights for a small, traditionally despised segment of the population.
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Yeah, I've seen that meme going around.

You do know that tens of millions of Christians every week do indeed line up to serve the homeless, right? Feed the hungry? Pray with the sick? Advocate on behalf of health care for the poorest amongst us? Are you positive that a few of the people who lined up as a calm, peaceful protest about an issue they care about deeply aren't also lining up regularly to feed the poor and homeless?

I'm not sure that the best way to combat prejudice is more prejudice. The best way to combat ignorance is with education and grace. To do otherwise reduces humanity on both sides of the discussion.
I hope they are doing some good toward the sick and poor, but why not also show compassion to gays - who are outcasted by some Christians. For those conservative Christians to say they love gay people yet are against their "lifestyle" sounds more negative than compassionate. To me, it goes against 1 Corinthians 13.
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Yeah, I've seen that meme going around.

You do know that tens of millions of Christians every week do indeed line up to serve the homeless, right? Feed the hungry? Pray with the sick? Advocate on behalf of health care for the poorest amongst us? Are you positive that a few of the people who lined up as a calm, peaceful protest about an issue they care about deeply aren't also lining up regularly to feed the poor and homeless?

I'm not sure that the best way to combat prejudice is more prejudice. The best way to combat ignorance is with education and grace. To do otherwise reduces humanity on both sides of the discussion.
I think you missed my point. This was a "grassroots" movement put out very quickly via social media and prominent figures like INDY said, right? And apparently there were lines around the building. Almost every major city has a "service day" where they try and do something similar yet the turn out and fan fare is nothing compared to this. I know, I've been a part of these drives and I've been a part of some large churches. And I'm not saying Christians don't go out and feed the homeless, what I'm saying is that I don't see Palin and Huckabee tweeting about that. I don't see lines around the building for that. This is not coming from prejudice or ignorance, this is coming from experience and long discussions with pastors who are hanging their heads in embarrassment about this type of "protest" when they can't get a significant percentage of their congregation to volunteer even during the holidays. I think it's time we start looking in the mirror rather than focusing on issues that do not and will not effect us.
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really what's important is that you remain free to feel unchallenged and totally comfortable opposing (without any rational basis!) basic civil rights for a small, traditionally despised segment of the population.
I'm starting to think INDY either knows he's wrong to be against LGBTs and is afraid to admit it because he'll realize all that he believes in would be wrong too, or he harbors some very strong homophobia and won't voice them here or else he'll be banned. That's my theory anyway.
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