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Old 08-15-2012, 12:33 AM   #211
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I feel for those men.

Then one's at the top, however, all closet cases themselves, those are the ones who are the true bad guys.

And, sadly, the biggest victims.

There are bullies all over the world. It's not surprising to me that gays are mocked, beaten, shamed, and taunted. But being a bully only runs so deep. Jesus will only help you care so much.

To hate gayness so much that you reach out and sell this snake oil called Exodus ... don't tell me for a second that people like Dobson, Reikers, et al, aren't trying to fool themselves first.

Only a gay man could hate another gay man so comprehensively.
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I guess I never think of them as gay themselves. It doesn't occur to me that anyone would think like that. It's hard for me to even articulate thoughts on that. (Especially late, on a phone.)

It's so sad.
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For some, heterosexuality must be endured. Remember, we have 5,000 years of history to live up to.
Oy. *Shakes head*

Sigh. Yeah, I'm with martha on this. It's so fucking depressing and insane that that crap mindset is allowed to spread the way it does. I will never understand how someone can look at the anti-gay mindset and find it reasonable and worth supporting. Ever.
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To hate gayness so much that you reach out and sell this snake oil called Exodus ... don't tell me for a second that people like Dobson, Reikers, et al, aren't trying to fool themselves first.

Only a gay man could hate another gay man so comprehensively.
Well in Rekers' case there's some pretty suggestive evidence for it, right? The episode where he was photographed with a "travel assistant" hired from a rent boy website, who later told reporters one of his jobs was giving Rekers genital "massages." (Rekers was a founder of the Family Research Council.) Then there were the two Exodus founders who left the group, divorced their wives, and had a commitment ceremony. And the Exodus chairman who was fired after being photographed at a gay bar flirting with other patrons under a fake name. It could almost be funny if it weren't for the damage they'd done to other gay people. And themselves.



Re: the Regnerus study--the one good thing about it is that it's based on national probability sampling, meaning that in principle the findings could be generalized to the population at large. No prior studies of same-sex parenting have attempted that (of course, having huge grants from conservative think tanks--primarily the Witherspoon Institute, from which Lopez's article is taken--helped Regnerus tremendously in this regard, but still it sets a good precedent). The problem, like Irvine said, is that the study isn't in fact about same-sex parenting at all--rather it compares children from intact biological families ("IBFs"), a specific family structure, with children of a parent who had at least one same-sex relationship at some point during their childhoods, regardless of what family structure(s) the children experienced. Only 2 subjects in his study were raised for their entire childhoods by two mothers, and none at all were raised for their entire childhoods by two fathers. Only 23% of the subjects with a mother who'd had a female partner had lived with their mother and said partner for 3 or more years, and only 2% of the subjects with a father who'd had a male partner had lived with their father and said partner for 3 or more years. Etc., etc. ... In the end, if this study could be said to show anything, it's that children of a divorced/single/remarried etc. parent who had at least one same-sex relationship during their childhoods (which according to Lopez is "bisexual parenting," a category Regnerus never mentions) turn out to have remarkably similar outcomes to children of divorced/single/remarried etc. parents who never had any same-sex relationships. Well whaddya know!
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Rekers, yes, there's evidence and photos that he had hired "Lucien" from rentboy.com to help him "carry his bags" on a trip across Europe. and not to pull out the whole "i know people who know people ..." but i do know someone who has done sound for interviews/documentaries in Colorado Springs with Dobson, and said his gay vibe is palpable. but who knows, right?

the Regenerus study is particularly insidious.

it's a hideous thing to attack families in such a way.
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During a raid on a porn cinema in Beirut's Bourj Hammoud district on July 28, police arrested dozens of men who were then subjected to invasive anal exams to provide evidence of homosexuality, Lebanon's The Daily Star writes.
The raid sparked fierce criticism from physicians, politicians and in the media. "It's the republic of shame," an anchor of the of the privately-owned Lebanese Broadcasting Corporation (LBC) said during the network's nightly broadcast on July 31.
According to the BBC, the anchor's protest was picked up and quickly echoed via social networking sites.
Lebanon's 'Homosexuality Exams' Come Under Fire

Sad that gay people are being treated like this in some parts of the world. Although on a bright note, its good to see gay groups daring to be so public in a very conservative region. Even though they can be arrested, I think its really brave of them to be who they are and be so public about it.
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, and said his gay vibe is palpable.
How dare you!

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I don't know what exactly went on in this man's mind, but I think we can all agree it's a sad day for everyone when someone attempts mass murder under some delusion of serving social justice.



I doubt this thread is the place for extended discussion of this incident (which there may be no need for, since thanks to a heroic security guard no one was gravely injured or killed) but it ought to be acknowledged here IMO.
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the FRC is blaming this incident on the SPLC for calling them a "hate group."

he also had 15 Chik-fil-a sandwiches in his backpack.
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Par for the course, SPLC's not a gay rights group so they're the perfect target for a slippery-slope 'culture of hate' argument. Like blaming the Catholic Church for an abortion clinic shooting, and about as productive.

I'd guess the sandwiches were part of some sick intended 'delivery' conceit, but I don't think authorities have commented on that yet.
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the FRC is blaming this incident on the SPLC for calling them a "hate group."

he also had 15 Chik-fil-a sandwiches in his backpack.
Well, I do think the FRC is a hate group, but still, sounds to me like it was a typical "nutcase with a gun" scenario. From the stuff I've read I don't get how they'd connect the shooter to the SPLC to begin with.

Anywho, good on the security guard for stopping him. I'm glad nobody was seriously hurt or killed.
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yes.

here was their statement:

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Perkins’ accusation is outrageous. The SPLC has listed the FRC as a hate group since 2010 because it has knowingly spread false and denigrating propaganda about LGBT people — not, as some claim, because it opposes same-sex marriage. The FRC and its allies on the religious right are saying, in effect, that offering legitimate and fact-based criticism in a democratic society is tantamount to suggesting that the objects of criticism should be the targets of criminal violence.

Perkins and his allies, seeing an opportunity to score points, are using the attack on their offices to pose a false equivalency between the SPLC’s criticisms of the FRC and the FRC’s criticisms of LGBT people. The FRC routinely pushes out demonizing claims that gay people are child molesters and worse — claims that are provably false. It should stop the demonization and affirm the dignity of all people.

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But isn't the SPLC pretty much the source for hate groups and the like?

I'd say above reproach even.
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Governments have marriage definitions, yes. Can we agree that governments also change their laws from time to time on various issues?


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Next, do you think men and women have innate qualities other than the naughty bits being different?


There are some trends, but not uniformly, no.

Why does this matter in this discussion, though?
1) I was trying to see if we could agree on the premise that limitations on marriage have always existed and arose for reasons other than "hate" or some phobia.

2) I was attempting to illustrate that if, on aggregate, the marriage of a man and a woman can provide an asset to children that a marriage between two members of the same sex cannot provide, there is a compelling reason for society (and thus the government in a republic) to hold up that union as the ideal.

Many proponents of same-sex marriage are sincere in their desire to marry or, if not gay, sincere in their desire for equality. I acknowledge this, but there is also a movement on the Left to remove the distinctions between female and male. Case in point, the recent edition of the New York Times magazine.




Unfortunately, most same-sex advocates have bought in to this nonsense just as they've bought into the notion that defending tradition marriage = hate.
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