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Old 06-07-2012, 02:28 PM   #706
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Hehe.

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Australian Christian Lobby (yes, that's their actual name ) Fuckwit in Chief Jim Wallace likened the gay marriage "agenda" to Nazi propaganda, saying the media were a lot like Joseph Goebbels. Then he used the slippery slope argument. All live on national television.
Tends to make you wonder how those sorts of people manage to dress themselves every morning, huh?
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Old 06-11-2012, 10:37 AM   #707
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June 9, 2012
The G.O.P.’s Gay Trajectory
By FRANK BRUNI

Over the past year, the main story line in the push for marriage equality has been the ardor and success with which leading Democratic politicians have taken up the fight. The Democratic governors of New York, Maryland and Washington all promoted and signed same-sex marriage laws, for which President Obama expressed his support last month.

But the progress within Republican ranks has also been pivotal, not to mention fascinating. And a compelling character in that subplot just added a new twist to the narrative, one that suggests the rapidly changing political dynamics of this issue and its potential import to a party dogged by an image of being culturally out of touch.

That character is Paul E. Singer, 67, a billionaire hedge fund manager who is among the most important Republican donors nationwide. In just one Manhattan fund-raiser last month, he helped to collect more than $5 million for Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign.

He steadfastly supports conservative candidates. He also steadfastly supports gay rights in general and marriage equality in particular. Along with a few other leading Wall Street financiers, he contributed and helped drum up the majority of the money — more than $1 million — that fueled the campaign for same-sex marriage in New York.

He has given nearly $10 million of his own money to gay-rights initiatives, including the same-sex marriage efforts not only in New York but also in New Hampshire and New Jersey. And that figure doesn’t include his assistance in tapping a broad network of donors for individual candidates. He was pivotal in rounding up about $250,000 apiece for the Republican state senators in New York whose votes for same-sex marriage provided its margin of victory in the Legislature.

Now, Singer says, he’s providing $1 million to start a new “super PAC” with several Republican compatriots. Named American Unity PAC, its sole mission will be to encourage Republican candidates to support same-sex marriage, in part by helping them to feel financially shielded from any blowback from well-funded groups that oppose it.

In an interview on Tuesday, he told me that he’s confident that in Congressional races, which would most likely be the super PAC’s initial focus, there are more than a few Republicans “who could be on the verge of support” or are “harboring and hiding their views.”

“And this kind of effort could be catalytic in generating some more movement,” he said.

Singer doesn’t court a high news-media profile. His willingness to meet at the Midtown Manhattan offices of his hedge fund, Elliott Management, and talk about marriage equality reflects the strength of his commitment to the cause. Although he is straight, he has a gay son and son-in-law who were married in Massachusetts, which legalized same-sex marriage in 2004.

Our conversation also reflected a growing awareness among prominent Republicans that embracing marriage equality could broaden the party’s base and soften the party’s image in crucial ways. Many swing voters who find elements of Republicans’ limited-government message appealing and have doubts about Obama’s economic stewardship are nonetheless given serious pause by the party’s stances on abortion, birth control, immigration and homosexuality.

“There’s a feeling among some people that the Republican party is harsh on some things,” acknowledged Singer, whose extended comments can be found in a blog post supplementing this column. Referring to opposition to same-sex marriage, he added: “Atmospherically and tonally, it’s part of the landscape of so-called harshness.”

It also flies in the face of an irrefutable trajectory of increasing support for same-sex marriage among Americans, especially younger ones. In a CNN/ORC International poll released Wednesday, a whopping 73 percent of respondents between the ages of 18 and 34 said they favored marriage equality. That’s the clear future of this issue, and Republicans are keenly aware that while the party’s formal opposition to abortion rights, for example, doesn’t contradict the prevailing sentiments of a majority of Americans or buck voter trends, opposition to same-sex marriage does.

Ken Mehlman, the former Republican National Committee chairman who came out as gay two years ago and has since pressed the case for marriage equality, told me, “A political party that ignores demography or ignores broader cultural trends does so at its own peril.”

But even apart from that, Mehlman, Singer and many other Republicans say that marriage equality, which in fact gets the government out of the business of controlling and casting judgment on people’s private lives, is consistent with conservative principles.

Singer said that it “very well fits within my framework of freedom,” adding that it promotes “family stability” and is a tribute to an institution in need of one.

“Obviously, the institution of marriage in America has utterly collapsed,” he said. That gay and lesbian couples nonetheless want to wed “is kind of a lovely thing and a cool thing and a wonderful thing,” he added.

The shifting Republican reality was underscored when 119 Republicans joined 92 Democrats in the New Hampshire House of Representatives three months ago in a vote to keep same-sex marriage legal in the state. Just three years ago, when it was legalized, only nine Republicans supported it.

In Massachusetts, Richard Tisei, a gay Congressional candidate who supports marriage equality, was recently anointed one of the National Republican Congressional Committee’s “Young Guns,” signifying Republican leaders’ especially strong investment in his bid.

“I feel comfortable in the party,” he told me Friday.

Tisei is one type of candidate who might draw financial help from Singer’s super PAC, which, according to Singer, will soon have a budget “of a few million dollars,” factoring in expected support from collaborators and friends.

Singer said that more than a half-dozen Republicans who back same-sex marriage, who are contemplating it or who seem nudge-able have already attracted the super PAC’s attention.

I asked Chad H. Griffin, a progressive Democrat who heads the Human Rights Campaign, a leading advocacy group for gays and lesbians, what he made of Singer’s work on marriage equality.

“It’s absolutely necessary,” said Griffin. “We will never win marriage equality without bipartisan support.”

One Republican who unequivocally opposes marriage equality is the man Singer backs for president: Mitt Romney. Does that trouble Singer?

“I feel very strongly that Obama needs to be fired, and that the Republicans are right on most things,” he said, adding that with continued work on marriage equality, he expects to persuade more Republicans of its rightness, too.

“I think it would be naïve of me to take this issue and just upend everything else I believe,” he said. “Because I think we’re making progress.”
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It will be interesting to see if there is ever a divide, one between the money and a big portion of the Republican voters (conservative christians)?
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I really hope there is a shift towards a more pro-gay attitude within the Republican party. The article's right, if they want to survive, they have to adapt their platforms a little more, make them more realistic.
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be careful what you wish for

we have a country that is evenly divided,
with the GOP being gay friendly, they could pick up 3-5 % more, then they would have a solid majority

they could cut spending, reduce welfare, aid to deadbeats, put those unions in their proper place, pass pro-business legislation and end the anti-business EPA, reform eduction, give everyone vouchers
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Gay marriage for Denmark

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Marriage equality advocates have welcomed the news that the Danish parliament has voted in favour of legalising same-sex marriage.

The marriage equality bill passed the parliament 85 votes to 24.

"Overwhelming support for marriage equality from the Danish Parliament shows the global momentum for reform continues to grow," Australian Marriage Equality national convener, Alex Greenwich, said.

"Australia risks being left behind if it doesn't move soon to give same-sex couples full equality."

Introducing the legislation earlier this year, Danish Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt (pictured) said same-sex couples could be married either at the Town Hall or in the Church of Denmark if the priest was willing.

"It will be up to each priest whether he or she will perform gay marriages, but the government gives all members of the church the right to get married in church, whether they want to marry a person of the opposite or same sex," Thorning said.

Although some church leaders have opposed same-sex marriage, surveys have suggested as many as 70 per cent of Danish priests would be happy to officiate at a gay wedding.

Greenwich said the situation in Denmark would be the same in Australia, dismissing claims by the Australian Christian Lobby that religious celebrants would be forced to marry same-sex couples.

"Danish same-sex couples have been given the right to a church wedding but Danish religious celebrants have also been given the right not to celebrate such weddings if it is against their religious values," Greenwich said.

"The safeguards in Australia are very strong with proposed legislation providing religious celebrants with an exemption and a recent motion from Andrew Wilkie confirming this exemption being passed by the House of Representatives."

Denmark was the first country in the world to allow civil unions for same-sex couples in 1989, with couples subsequently given the right to receive a church blessing for their unions.
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Republican Rep. Marsha Looper's Gay Son Outed By Campaign Manager E-mail

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Rep. Marsha Looper's (R-El Paso) campaign manager Lana Fore-Warkocz was so pleased with her boss's voting against Colorado's civil unions bill last month that she sent out an e-mail praising Looper for her vote even though she has a gay son -- unfortunately outing Looper's son in the process, according to The Denver Post.

"God is truly to be praised for Marsha Looper because she also has a homosexual son," Fore-Warkcoz e-mail to El Paso's voters read, the Advocate reports. "Praise God!" Fore-Warkcoz goes on to write in the e-mail, celebrating Looper for amending Senate Bill 2 to "protect" religious organizations "from harm."
There are so many things wrong with this story...
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Add Carrie Underwood to the list of stars who've come out in support of marriage equality.

The country songstress, who was raised Baptist, spoke at length about the topic in an interview with The Independent, noting that her Christian upbringing is at the core of her attitude toward same-sex marriage.

"As a married person myself, I don’t know what it’s like to be told I can’t marry somebody I love, and want to marry," Underwood is quoted as saying. "I can’t imagine how that must feel. I definitely think we should all have the right to love, and love publicly, the people that we want to love."

The British publication also notes that while the 29-year-old Underwood was raised Baptist, she now attends a nondenominational "gay friendly" Christian church with her husband, pro hockey player Mike Fisher.

"Above all, God wanted us to love others," she noted. "It's not about setting rules, or [saying], 'Everyone has to be like me.' No. We're all different. That’s what makes us special. We have to love each other and get on with each other. It’s not up to me to judge anybody.”

How Underwood's country fanbase will take the news remains to be seen, but among those to praise the superstar for her faith-based support was the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD).

"We hope that other country music performers will join them in speaking (or singing) out for LGBT equality," GLAAD officials said in a statement on the group's website.
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"God is truly to be praised for Marsha Looper because she also has a homosexual son," Fore-Warkcoz e-mail to El Paso's voters read, the Advocate reports. "Praise God!" Fore-Warkcoz goes on to write in the e-mail, celebrating Looper for amending Senate Bill 2 to "protect" religious organizations "from harm."
Um. What?

That e-mail makes no sense. And I feel for the son being thrown into the midst of this issue like that.

I also can't imagine what it'd be like to have your own mother vote against something that would benefit you.

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"As a married person myself, I don’t know what it’s like to be told I can’t marry somebody I love, and want to marry," Underwood is quoted as saying. "I can’t imagine how that must feel. I definitely think we should all have the right to love, and love publicly, the people that we want to love."
Hey, my sentiments exactly.

I like Carrie even more now. I'm glad she gets it .
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Add Carrie Underwood to the list of stars who've come out in support of marriage equality.

The British publication also notes that while the 29-year-old Underwood was raised Baptist, she now attends a nondenominational "gay friendly" Christian church with her husband, pro hockey player Mike Fisher.
Mike Fisher is an avowed Canadian.
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I only found out today that The Salvation Army is pretty homophobic from their website:

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The Salvation Army seeks to understand, accept and lovingly minister to all people, recognising the depth and intensity of feeling about sexual identity, as well as the attendant pain and difficulties sometimes experienced in living in harmony with God's standards.

Homosexuality is broadly defined as being sexually attracted to, having a definite sexual preference for, people of the same gender. It is The Salvation Army's belief that, whilst recognising the possibility of such orientation, (the origins of which are uncertain), the Bible expressly opposes homosexual practice, seeing such activity as rebellion against God's plan for the created order.

The Bible teaches that God's intention for humankind is that society should be ordered on the basis of lifelong, legally sanctioned heterosexual unions. Such unions (marriages), having the potential for procreation, lead to the formation of social units (families), which are essential to human personal development and therefore to the stability of the community.

We firmly believe that obedience to God together with the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit, make it possible for all to live a lifestyle pleasing to Him. This may include celibacy or self restraint for those who will not or cannot marry.

A disposition towards homosexuality is not in itself blameworthy nor is the disposition seen as rectifiable at will. The Army is sensitive to the complex social, emotional and spiritual needs of all people including those with homosexual inclinations. We oppose vilification of, or discrimination against, anyone on the grounds of sexual orientation. No person is excluded from membership, fellowship or service in the Army solely on the basis of sexual disposition.

Homosexual practice however, is, in the light of Scripture, clearly unacceptable. Such activity is chosen behaviour and is thus a matter of the will. It is therefore able to be directed or restrained in the same way heterosexual urges are controlled. Homosexual practice would render any person ineligible for full membership (soldiership) in the Army. However, practising homosexuals are welcome to worship with, and join in the fellowship of The Salvation Army.

Regardless of sexual orientation, any person who yields to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, and determines, by God's grace, to live in accordance with the Scriptural principles outlined above, is welcomed and accorded all the benefits and privileges of membership in The Salvation Army.
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It's funny, I always assumed the Salvation Army were basically a more serious version of the Pet Shop Boys.
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I'd heard about that before, yeah. Very unfortunate. An organization that's there to help people in need can't seem to extend its compassion TOO far, apparently .

It's a tough thing, though, because people are calling for a boycott of the Salvation Army over this. And I totally get why, of course, but at the same time...my family benefited from their help on occasion over the years, and other people get help through them. Is it fair to deny those people the help they need because of the political beliefs of the people in the organization?
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Dan Bucatinsky on leading 'Web Therapy' and being a gay dad - latimes.com

This was in the paper this morning. I found it very interesting and low-key.
This is just one part of it:

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I thought what you wrote about having a presumably straight son was interesting.

There was a point when Jonah turned 2, 21/2, it was watching these personalities emerge. And there something kind of rough and tumble and — there's no better way to describe it — butch, coming out of this little 2-year-old who loved to play with balls and sticks and had a bit of a swagger when he walked. And it kind of took me back to a time when that kind of swagger, that kind of confidence, I associated with the kinds of guys who used to bully me. And I got filled with all these feelings like, wow, I wonder if my own son is going to intimidate me and I wonder if he's going to look at me differently. And I worked it through and I thought about how much I love my son and looked at the notion of unconditional love in a totally different way. It's an exciting challenge that is going to erase lines that I thought were deeply embedded in me.
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I'd heard about that before, yeah. Very unfortunate. An organization that's there to help people in need can't seem to extend its compassion TOO far, apparently .

It's a tough thing, though, because people are calling for a boycott of the Salvation Army over this. And I totally get why, of course, but at the same time...my family benefited from their help on occasion over the years, and other people get help through them. Is it fair to deny those people the help they need because of the political beliefs of the people in the organization?
Wow, that's some moral quandary right there. I personally, in that situation, I'd think about it for maybe 5 milliseconds, then take the money.
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