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Old 06-04-2012, 12:46 AM   #691
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I was thinking. Didn't legalizing biracial marriage require a redefinition of "personhood"? Weren't black Americans 3/5 of a person at one point?
Its silly for the left to make these jumps. The argument about marriage is an argument about the legal status of that ceremony. Nothing to do with not regarding gay people as people. I don't think even the most right wing of the Christian right regards gays as 3/5ths of people.
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The argument about marriage is an argument about the legal status of that ceremony. Nothing to do with not regarding gay people as people.
No. It's not about the legal status of THAT ceremony, it's the legal status thereafter that ceremony and how the state recognizes you.

If you are not recognized as an equal in the eyes of the law than you are not equal as a person. That seems pretty cut and dry to me.
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I was thinking. Didn't legalizing biracial marriage require a redefinition of "personhood"? Weren't black Americans 3/5 of a person at one point?
I hear this a lot. But blacks were not 3/5 of a person. I believe it was Virginia and North Carolina that would not go along with the Constitution because they wanted more representation in Congress and votes in the Electoral College for selecting the President.

I am sure that they would have been happy to have slaves counted as 5/5 or even 1.5 persons for apportionment purposes.
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I am sure that they would have been happy to have slaves counted as 5/5 or even 1.5 persons for apportionment purposes.
Yes, this is what they were pushing for. But of course, no one ever suggested that those slaves could vote. Heaven forbid that our saintly founding fathers allow for that.

Just one of many cases of the US government being designed in a way where some the votes of some people matter more than the votes of others. When it comes down to it, that's all that the electoral college does today.
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The argument about marriage is an argument about the legal status of that ceremony. Nothing to do with not regarding gay people as people.
Wrong.

It has to do with the plethora of rights that flow to each individual as a consequence of being legally married.
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Well, looks like the people of Washington state will get the amazing opportunity to vote on whether or not some people can get married.

The Dark Side got enough signatures to get it onto the ballot.
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Well, looks like the people of Washington state will get the amazing opportunity to vote on whether or not some people can get married.

The Dark Side got enough signatures to get it onto the ballot.



did men ever get together and vote on whether or not women should be allowed to vote?
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Australian Christian Lobby (yes, that's their actual name ) Fuckwit in Chief Jim Wallace likened the gay marriage "agenda" to Nazi propaganda, saying the media were a lot like Joseph Goebbels. Then he used the slippery slope argument. All live on national television.

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