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Old 05-06-2012, 03:59 PM   #376
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BREAKING: Joe Biden Endorses Same-Sex Marriage | ThinkProgress
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Old 05-06-2012, 04:05 PM   #377
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Man, I'm still pretty damn baffled how this is still such a big issue in so called first world countries in this day and age..
Poor countries don't even care about their gays. Just like Obama doesn't care about black people.
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and now for the not-breaking news

Obama will not support same sex marriage before Nov election.

Romney's position will be the same as Obama's. A 'marriage' is one man one woman.


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Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa — the chairman of the 2012 Democratic National Convention
— said on Wednesday that he favors a gay marriage legalization plank in his party’s platform.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz1u7dkkh6z
I don't believe Obama will allow that into the party platform.
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Winslow Sherrill has two daughters who are lesbian. While he loves them and gets along with their partners,
he's going to vote in favor of banning gay marriage in North Carolina.
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Old 05-08-2012, 12:51 PM   #380
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I don't know Obama's position on same sex marriage. I know Joe Biden's. I am hoping a second term and a friendly legislature (good luck, that) might help solidify a favorable position and whatever action would be available to him. I'm not assuming it, though. We'll see how much risk he takes when he doesn't have to worry about keeping his job. Be interesting to see what his final legacy will be.

As part of a sex that is often treated as less than, I watch him with interest but not much enthusiasm.

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Mr. Biden’s Moment of Truth
Every so often, candidates running for high office say what they really think about an important issue. It’s virtually always a problem, especially if that candidate is a vice president and what he thinks differs from his president.

On Sunday, Vice President Joseph Biden Jr. said he was “absolutely comfortable” with same-sex marriage and portrayed the freedom to marry as a fundamental civil right. It was an important statement of support for marriage equality, and it was a big step forward from the endlessly frustrating hedging of President Obama. It should make it harder for Mr. Obama to cling to the tired evasion that his views on marriage are “evolving.”

Mr. Biden, who is prone to saying a bit too much on a few too many occasions, discussed same-sex marriage with David Gregory on “Meet the Press” on NBC. He movingly described the issue as questions of “who do you love?” and “will you be loyal to the person you love?”

Mr. Biden recalled meeting the children of a gay couple two weeks ago at a fund-raiser at their home. “I wish every American could see the look of love those kids had in their eyes for you guys,” he said he told one host. “And they wouldn’t have any doubt about what this is about.”

Mr. Biden declined to say whether Mr. Obama would endorse same-sex marriage before the November election, or in a second term. He began his remarks by saying Mr. Obama sets these policies, not him.

Still, his comments triggered the panic alarm at the Obama campaign, producing the comical spectacle of aides to Mr. Biden and David Axelrod, a senior adviser to Mr. Obama, trying to portray the vice president’s remarks as in line with the president’s views. They are not. Mr. Obama remains stuck publicly relegating same-sex relationships to separate and unequal civil unions.

On Monday, Arne Duncan, Mr. Obama’s education secretary, also endorsed marriage equality. (Shaun Donovan, who is the secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development, did so earlier.) That made it even harder to figure out what Mr. Obama and his political handlers think is gained by the president’s hedging.

The Obama administration has taken some positive steps against antigay discrimination, such as repealing the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy and ending the Justice Department’s legal defense of the Defense of Marriage Act, the unconstitutional law that bars federal recognition of legally performed same-sex unions.

In stark contrast to Mitt Romney, who has aligned himself with the most fervent opponents of same-sex marriage, Mr. Obama has come out against the proposed state constitutional amendment to bar same-sex marriages and civil unions that is going before voters in Tuesday’s primary election in North Carolina.

But, by failing to go the next step and actually say that he supports the freedom to marry as Mr. Biden does and as polls show nearly a majority of Americans do, Mr. Obama risks dampening the enthusiasm of allies without gaining the support of equality’s opponents. It’s not an unfamiliar place for this president to be, unfortunately.

It would be good for a broad range of Americans to see him articulate a clear position of principle and then defend it before the voting public.
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I think Obama's position on gay marriage has already "evolved" and that he supports it. But he can't/won't say so because it might hurt him politically with some people, and he can't completely reconcile it with his religious beliefs. Or maybe that's more of a religious/political connection. Joe Biden is the VP and I believe he's Catholic, but he has less to lose I guess. Of course it's not as if plenty of Catholics don't openly, or not so openly, support gay marriage.
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I don't know Obama's position on same sex marriage.
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that article you posted?

I looked up the source, The New York Times opinion

Ok, easy for them

and now we have former DNC Chair and former Pennsylvania governor and Democratic stalwart Ed Rendell had harsh words for President Obama's new "evolution" on gay marriage.

Former DNC Chair Rendell: Obama Should 'Man Up' And Tell Gay Marriage Position


These people must be on the side of Romney 2012.

Sure, they will say they are on the side of history.
But, this election is going to be close. Obama needs the 90%+ per cent of black vote in a few swing votes. Turn off a few, let that fall to only 70% per cent because of the Black religious vote, and we can have a Romney Presidency.

There is concern that the Jewish vote has slipped 10-15%. These small margins matter, does anyone remember 2000?
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I do apologize on leaving out the NY Times. I copied the logo when copying the piece but it did not transfer and I did not notice. It is good to identify your source.

I understand your concern. Just don't care anymore. Tired of playing it safe. Tired of sitting back and behaving. Kind of tired of settling. Doesn't mean I won't vote for him.
Just means I do mind him being challenged.
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So you are just fine with President Romney for 8 years.
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that article you posted?

I looked up the source, The New York Times opinion

Ok, easy for them

and now we have former DNC Chair and former Pennsylvania governor and Democratic stalwart Ed Rendell had harsh words for President Obama's new "evolution" on gay marriage.

Former DNC Chair Rendell: Obama Should 'Man Up' And Tell Gay Marriage Position


These people must be on the side of Romney 2012.

Sure, they will say they are on the side of history.
But, this election is going to be close. Obama needs the 90%+ per cent of black vote in a few swing votes. Turn off a few, let that fall to only 70% per cent because of the Black religious vote, and we can have a Romney Presidency.

There is concern that the Jewish vote has slipped 10-15%. These small margins matter, does anyone remember 2000?
Do you honestly believe that simply coming out in support of same sex marriage will lower the black vote from 90-something percent to 70-something percent? Somehow I doubt that one issue would swing things that severely.
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Do you honestly believe that simply coming out in support of same sex marriage will lower the black vote from 90-something percent to 70-something percent? Somehow I doubt that one issue would swing things that severely.


there is no way Obama will pull less than 90% of the black vote. he'd have to shoot a puppy on TV or something.
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So you are just fine with President Romney for 8 years.
I will not vote for Romney. I'm not happy with a combination of Romney and the likely makeup of the new Congress. At all. But really, I'm not OK with placating the bigots so your (generic your, not you specifically) guy gets in.

What are you asking me, them, to do, deep? Just how quiet and unchallenging should we stay? I'm so, so tired of being afraid of getting something worse that I don't challenge for something better. It gets demeaning.
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Obama needs the 90%+ per cent of black vote in a few swing votes. Turn off a few, let that fall to only 70% per cent because of the Black religious vote, and we can have a Romney Presidency.

There is concern that the Jewish vote has slipped 10-15%. These small margins matter, does anyone remember 2000?
According to some posters in here all black people are blind mindless Democrat voters so your theory doesn't really hold any water.
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Do you honestly believe that simply coming out in support of same sex marriage will lower the black vote from 90-something percent to 70-something percent? Somehow I doubt that one issue would swing things that severely.

I don't think it will switch that many from Obama to Romney at all

I do believe it will have an affect if some religious black people choose not to vote for Obama, a lower black turnout for Obama in 2012 than what he got in 2008 can affect some toss up states
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there is a very harsh anti gay ballot in NC today

I would like to see it lose,
but it will most likely pass, there should be exit polling , I expect black N Carolinians to support it. there should be some exit polling data
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