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Old 01-09-2012, 06:08 PM   #136
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How much more fucking irrelevant can you get?

Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope | Reuters
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Old 01-09-2012, 06:19 PM   #137
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on a positive note, i think this deserves a fist pump?

N.J. Legislature to introduce bill legalizing gay marriage | NJ.com


what's interesting is how this might play out politically, and how Democrats see this as an opportunity to actually damage Chris Christie, who will no doubt use this to prove his conservative credentials looking towards 2016, but that's dangerous territory -- kicking gays is increasingly likely to alienate the moderates Christie would have to court to ever win a national election, even if it means making him a little less, erm, "regional" to the base.
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How much more fucking irrelevant can you get?

Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope | Reuters
The Vatican is becoming increasingly irrelevant even to it's own congregation, at least in the states. They try to act progressive with one hand saying that there is nothing wrong with being homosexual, while with the other hand they say it's sinful or a homosexual to act on their desire - and now this. Not to mention They just rolled out a new updated "translation" of the liturgy that only further widens the divide between clergy and laypeople.
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my mother was offended when i said i would have no issue arguing with the pope.
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good luck
I hope your German is better than his English.
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my mother was offended when i said i would have no issue arguing with the pope.
I'd like to see you do that . You'd win hands-down.
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:21 AM   #142
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my mother was offended when i said i would have no issue arguing with the pope.
My parents flip out whenever I criticize the pope.
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Heh, that reminds me, when my dad was a teenager and had his hair longer, his mom freaked on him about cutting it before a church service or something once. He shot back with, "Oh, yeah, Mom, I'm sure the church wouldn't want to be associated with anyone with long hair."

She didn't really have a response to that .

I don't get why criticism of the Pope is so earth-shatteringly horrible. So he supposedly has a direct line to God. He's NOT God, he's still human, so he's not immune. It's like when I heard about the whole freakout when Sinead ripped up that picture of the Pope on "SNL". Really, people? You were that bothered? Man, if we got that outraged over stuff that actually was important (like, you know, the thing Sinead was actually protesting with that action), we could make some real headway in this world.

But again, all this is coming from a girl raised Protestant, so...
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My mother is old school, went to Catholic school and is still traditional in some ways. But socially and politically she is less conservative and definitely comparatively "liberal", especially for her age. I told her recently that I don't listen to a word the Pope says and she said "neither do I". It just felt awesome, frankly. She has her faults like everyone but it just made me proud and made me feel like she's "cool". In that way I'm proud to be like her, and I am so glad that she lets me express my views. I don't think she always likes it but I do anyway and she does listen.

Most people vastly overestimate the importance of the Pope to the majority of Catholics these days.
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The concept of following the words of a man instead of extrapolating from the Bible your own path...it's just absurd to me. By following the words of the Pope at the expense of self-evaluation and contrasting opinions, you're placing your faith in a man-made institution (one could argue the Christian faith is man-made, though I have differing opinions in that regard) that doesn't even reflect the actions of its membership anymore.

Yeah, I'll call bullshit on the Pope when his statements are diametrically opposed to Christian ideology, and his claims regarding homosexuality place him as far away from the teachings of Christ as you can be.
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In Queensland, if you murder someone, you can get acquitted by using the "gay panic" defence. That is, if the person you murdered was the same sex and you think they were coming on to you, murder is justifiable
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If I ever form a skinhead hardcore punk band, I'm going to name them Gay Panic.
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In Queensland, if you murder someone, you can get acquitted by using the "gay panic" defence. That is, if the person you murdered was the same sex and you think they were coming on to you, murder is justifiable
The defense for the guys who killed Matthew Shepard was something along that line, too . It didn't work in their case, though, thankfully.
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If I ever form a skinhead hardcore punk band, I'm going to name them Gay Panic.
Too close to (Gay) Panic At The Disco
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