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Old 02-26-2004, 11:54 PM   #1
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Saint? Patrick's Day

Last year, I had to observe a classroom, see how a teacher does their profession, etc. I'm all for teachers using creative ways to teach math, but, it was near St. Patricks Day, and for a lesson, the teacher brought in a box of Lucky Charms, had them do activities with the box, then organize and sort the cereal pieces, do ratios. Couldn't have saved this for a nice little geography lesson maybe.

Anyway, did the children learn why/who/where/what St. Patrick's Day is about? Nope, obviously there's separation of church and state in America, couldn't really tell too much of who he was. So is that all the average American student would know, if you don't wear green on March 17th, you get pinched? Has something to do with Ireland. And some sort of religious thing, cos it's St. {Saint} Oh, and leprechaun cereal? Sure Irish-Americans would know, schools that teach about religion (i.e. Catholic schools) might know, but I don't know, p.c. gone out of hand?

I had a casual interest in Ireland, long before I was a U2 fan, I think there's is a fascinating culture. (Being a history nerd didn't hurt either). Just in case someone thinks I only feel this way because of U2.

It's cool to have fun and all, but I've heard there is some seriousness to the holiday over in Ireland (naturally). Perhaps I'm just overreacting. I just think any holiday, certainly one that is in nature, foreign, should be treated with just a little more respect.
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i think a lot of it has to do with the fact that most people don't celebrate St. Patrick's Day as a Saint's Day, it has become a competely different holiday altogether. Isn't Valentine's Day supposed to be a day for St. Valentine?
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i think a lot of it has to do with the fact that most people don't celebrate St. Patrick's Day as a Saint's Day, it has become a competely different holiday altogether. Isn't Valentine's Day supposed to be a day for St. Valentine?
Exactly.
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Interesting.

http://www.stpatricksday.ie/cms/stpa...y_history.html
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St. Patrick's Day is a saint's feast day in the Catholic Church, yes. St. Patrick is the patron saint of Ireland. The Irish are using it as an opportunity to promote awareness of Irish culture, which is fair game. I'd object if they were commercializing it. It doesn't look that way to me. I'd also object if they were using to teach Catholicism in a public school. Again, it doesn't really look that way.
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St. Patrick's Day is a saint's feast day in the Catholic Church, yes. St. Patrick is the patron saint of Ireland. The Irish are using it as an opportunity to promote awareness of Irish culture, which is fair game. I'd object if they were commercializing it. It doesn't look that way to me. I'd also object if they were using to teach Catholicism in a public school. Again, it doesn't really look that way.
Promoting awareness of Irish culture is fine, in fact, great way to segue into a short discussion, by having some sort of St. Patrick's day activity, but I dunno, using Lucky Charms....it's okay, Cinco De Mayo fiestas, aren't much different, average American doesn't know what its about, but hey, any excuse to party.
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Is it just me or is anyone else thirsty for a Guinness?
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I'd prefer some Bailey's myself
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*pours Bailey's over a bowl of Lucky Charms
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*pours Bailey's over a bowl of Lucky Charms
now that sounds like a quality breakfast
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i think a lot of it has to do with the fact that most people don't celebrate St. Patrick's Day as a Saint's Day, it has become a competely different holiday altogether. Isn't Valentine's Day supposed to be a day for St. Valentine?
I guess I don't celebrate the traditional St. Patrick's Day b/c I'm not Catholic, or any religion that has "saints" so for me, celebrating St. Pat's is like how non-Christians celebrate Easter with the bunny and the baskets and the eggs and such.
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same here livluv, I use it as a day to celebrate my irish heritage.

haha, i like the idea of baileys over lucky charms , not sure how good that would taste, but what a way to start off the day
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I'm sure they never got anywhere past the secular meaning of the holiday, because of fear of being religious.

As an individual, I find myself disappointed that any mention of anything remotely religious is poison. After all, I do believe that there is a massive difference between being educated about a religious custom versus proselytizing.

However, the realist in me knows that that line, if ever breached, would be abused. There are plenty of religious fanatics of all colors waiting to prey on children to "save" them. So, while I'm disappointed in the reality, I know perfectly why it is there.

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Don't worry. When appropriate, religion is perfectly fine in my classroom. You can't study missions in California without talking about Catholicism, and ancient Israel, India, and China are sixth grade standards. Religion is a key part of that study.


Me, I'd prefer whiskey on my Lucky Charms, please.
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Lucky Charms are about Irish as French Fries are French!
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