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nbcrusader said:
If they were captured alive, this whole mess would end up in litigation - the great American tradition.
A lawsuit thing?? I'm confused. You mean they'd get sued?
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nbcrusader said:
If they were captured alive, this whole mess would end up in litigation - the great American tradition.
verte76 said:I was just watching the news (no, it wasn't Fox ) There was a report about Uday (sp???) having the Iraqi soccer team tortured after they lost in the Olympics. I'd read stuff about them like that. Horrors. It's tough for me to consider people like them human.
Klaus said:nbcrusader: *lol*
Besides the fact that from my christian values i prefer that even enemies are living. I guess it would have bin helpful if the US army could ask them some questions (for example about the WMDs) but if the cenario is the way we could read about it the US forces had no big choices.
Klaus
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Saddam's sons would have been worth a lot more to us alive in captivity than they are dead.
Turning Saddam's sons over to the Hague tribunal for prosecution would have gotten the UN and the Europeans back on board, and gotten us some relief on reconstruction and on troops.
Turning them over to the Hague would have been better for the Iraqi people, too, who probably are not going to be persuaded that Saddam's sons are really dead by any dental records or DNA analysis CENTCOM can produce. Prosecuting them live on TV for weeks on end?that would have been persuasive...... <snip>
80sU2isBest said:I think Saddam's sons would never allow themselves to be captured alive. They would have killed themselves first.
US-General Ricardo Sanchez:
"Find, kill or capture"
Odai, Qusai Deaths Go Against U.S. Ban
By GEORGE GEDDA, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - In theory, pursuing with intent to kill violates a long-standing policy banning political assassination. It was the misfortune of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s sons, Odai and Qusai, that the Bush administration has not bothered to enforce the prohibition.
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The ban on assassinations, spelled out in an executive order signed by President Ford in 1976 and reinforced by Presidents Carter and Reagan, made no distinction between wartime and peacetime. There are no loop holes; no matter how awful the leader, he could not be a U.S. target either directly or by a hired hand.
The advantages of using assassination as a political tool seemed less obvious a generation ago than they are today.
Ford's executive order was in response to the general revulsion over disclosures by a Senate committee about a series of overseas U.S. assassination attempts ? some successful, some not ? over many years.
The committee found eight attempts on the life of Cuban President Fidel Castro. Other targets included Rafael Trujillo of the Dominican Republic and Patrice Lumumba of the Congo, both in 1961; and Ngo Dinh Diem of South Vietnam in 1963. Lumumba and Diem were both assassinated, although the degree of U.S. involvement has never been clear.
One rationale for the ban was that an attempt on the life of a foreign leader could produce retaliation ? a concern borne out in U.S.-Libyan tit-for-tat attacks during the late 1980's. Libyan agents killed two U.S. soldiers at a German disco in early April 1986. Days later, Reagan authorized the bombing of Libya; Gadhafi was spared but his 15-month old daughter was killed. Libyan agents were behind the bombing of Pan Am flight 103 in 1988, killing 270, most of them Americans.
Support for the assassination ban appears to have eroded considerably after Sept. 11, 2001. The events of that day demonstrated that a small but determined group, no matter how far away, could pose a greater threat to ordinary Americans than the German Luftwaffe could in 1940.
Abraham Sofaer, a former State Department legal adviser, makes the case for pre-emption against terrorists: "If a leader ... is responsible for killing Americans, and is planning to kill more Americans ... it would be perfectly proper to kill him rather than to wait until more Americans were killed."
The Bush administration seems to agree, but the old assassination taboo lives on, at least on paper.
"There's an executive order that prohibits the assassination of foreign leaders, and that remains in place," a White House spokesman said just as the Iraq hostilities were about to begin.
Posted by oliveu2cm
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Saddam's sons would have been worth a lot more to us alive in captivity than they are dead.
Turning Saddam's sons over to the Hague tribunal for prosecution would have gotten the UN and the Europeans back on board, and gotten us some relief on reconstruction and on troops.
Turning them over to the Hague would have been better for the Iraqi people, too, who probably are not going to be persuaded that Saddam's sons are really dead by any dental records or DNA analysis CENTCOM can produce. Prosecuting them live on TV for weeks on end?that would have been persuasive...... <snip>
Klaus said:
"Find, capture or kill if neccessary" would have made more sense to me.
Klaus
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Klaus said:"Find, capture or kill if neccessary" would have made more sense to me.
STING2 said:None the less, I do not expect this to quiet the Bush bashers and Anti-American groups opposed to the war and the good work that Coalition troops are doing in Iraq.
I heard on the news that people think now that the sons of Saddam are freedom fighters now,...new heroes are born. Sadly enough,...80sU2isBest said:I think Saddam's sons would never allow themselves to be captured alive. They would have killed themselves first.
STING2 said:Just like to state for the record is that it was Saddam's sons that fired first, not the US soldiers. The US soldiers approached the house, and then were fired on by those in the house. 4 US soldiers were wounded. If the USA wanted to simply kill them, it would have been easy enough to simply block off the escape routes and allow an strike aircraft to destroy the house with a bomb. Instead, the coalition spent 6 hours confronting them, 6 hours in which Saddam's sons could have surrendered.
This did not violate the US ban on assasination in any way. Saddams sons were not the leaders of Iraq and both had an opportunity to surrender.
STING2 said:Just like to state for the record is that it was Saddam's sons that fired first, not the US soldiers. The US soldiers approached the house, and then were fired on by those in the house. 4 US soldiers were wounded. If the USA wanted to simply kill them, it would have been easy enough to simply block off the escape routes and allow an strike aircraft to destroy the house with a bomb. Instead, the coalition spent 6 hours confronting them, 6 hours in which Saddam's sons could have surrendered.
This did not violate the US ban on assasination in any way. Saddams sons were not the leaders of Iraq and both had an opportunity to surrender.
Scarletwine said:
Even I don't believe that 80's, I'm just a wait and see kind of person.
but if the cenario is the way we could read about it the US forces had no big choices
Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez:
"The option to surround the house and wait out the individuals in the house was considered and rejected,"
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"The commanders on the ground made the decision to go ahead and execute and accomplish their mission of finding, fixing, killing or capturing."
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"That was the right decision."
Gimme a second - this was speedy?Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz:
"The key to success in an operation like that is speed and secrecy,"
President Bush
"Now, with the regime of Saddam Hussein gone forever, a few remaining holdouts are trying to prevent the advance of order and freedom,"
Klaus said:p.s. is it true that the 14 year old grandson is no.3 of the 4 killed people in attacked Mosul building
MissVelvetDress_75 said:they have released the pics of the bodies of Uday and Qusay
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/3088011.stm