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Old 12-26-2006, 07:41 PM   #46
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Anyone notice how generally the countries where the death penalty is used are more violent than those where it isn't used? So how is it helping?
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Since when did people give a shit about murderers in the first place?
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No I totally understand you, but I dont agree with you.
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unfortunately, no.
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How do you think Saddam will die?
Hanging
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I try to respect everyone's opinion...left, right, liberal, conservative and everything in-between. I like healthy debate, too, because I'm capable of seeing things in a new light, and even if it does not change my mind, perhaps I've been edified and am a better person for it....

All that being said, I cannot, never have and never ever will understand the legal killing of another human being. I literally cannot wrap my brain around it. I don't care what Sadaam has done or has not done, I can't approve of the taking of his life. I just can't.

Pro-death penalty people always say to me "well, if someone killed your wife (I don't have one) or some other loved one, wouldn't you want them put to death?" No. I wouldn't. And, until I go through that, and let's hope I never do, how the fuck should I know what venom will be running through my veins. But, I sure hope that disappointment and anger and anguish aside, I retain my morality. Also, how would that death penatly advocate feel if a family member of theirs, in a fit of rage and jealousy, in the state of Texas, planned and carried out the murder of an ex-lover or an ex-boss? Would they be all pro-death then? I wonder. But, it really does not matter, because I don't believe in either argument, they're both too extreme and personalize something that I think should be thought about and decided upon objectively.

So, I try to respect the pro-death penatly people and their position on this, I try to understand, but it really is hard for me....I just cannot ever see it as anything but an antiquated and barbaric and morally reprehensible act.
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Since when did people give a shit about murderers in the first place?
Justin, you've been parading that argument since the very first time I saw you argue this topic. It seems to come up every time we have this discussion. I am starting to get the feeling that you are not listening to our responses. Are we just talking to a metaphorical brick wall? Is discussion with you actually worthwhile?
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unfortunately, no.
Ummmm Yes. I know taking someones life is not our judgement, but the maker, if you believe in him. That stooping so low would only contradict us as a society. But........................................................ I don't care. He needs the absolute punishment. And when I die, I will answer for it.
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which is barbaric
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Hanging
So why the mention of drugs?
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So why the mention of drugs?
I was talking about stateside.
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That stooping so low would only contradict us as a society. But........................................................ I don't care. He needs the absolute punishment.
Here in lies the problem.
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Anyone notice how generally the countries where the death penalty is used are more violent than those where it isn't used? So how is it helping?
Yeah, funny how execution doesn't actually work as a deterrent. I wonder why people such as Justin and BrownEyedBoy are incapable of acknowledging this, or even acknowledging that the point has been raised and has strong factual grounds.
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Ok so do you all hate me or dislike me for my point of view on capitol punishment. I had an uncle, who I never knew but my aunt finally told me that he was murdered by his former teacher.
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But........................................................ I don't care.
So, in other words, you don't respect human life?
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