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Old 04-09-2003, 01:26 PM   #16
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I'm afraid this may be the case...
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US Secret informations about where saddam is were wrong twice, the plant were according to US informations Saddam produces his chemical weapons was'nt even a chemical factory.
So.. could it be that the mayority of the UN security council was right and US was badly informed and because of that the US government made wrong decisions?

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Yes, we could be talking multiple screw-ups here. What if Saddam got out of Baghdad and went to another town, perhaps his ancestral home of Tikrit? If Saddam was not in that building..... yes, that's a mistake. Damn.
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US Secret informations about where saddam is were wrong twice, the plant were according to US informations Saddam produces his chemical weapons was'nt even a chemical factory.
So.. could it be that the mayority of the UN security council was right and US was badly informed and because of that the US government made wrong decisions?

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no, that's not true; let's stick to the facts here:
both times they tried to get him, he was there, but survived, either by escaping right before the bombs fell, or managed to get out somehow. so they weren't wrong, but they did fail to get him.

and as far as the WMD, give it time; you cannot say that there are none when they haven't even scratched the surface yet; finding them could take months.
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It is amazing how may definitive statements are being made about the recent attempt to kill Saddam when we do not have a definitive answer as to its success or failure.


The UN Security Council right? Because their intelligence sources are so good.....
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no, that's not true; let's stick to the facts here: both times they tried to get him, he was there, but survived, either by escaping right before the bombs fell, or managed to get out somehow.
And you know this for fact how?
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Saddam Seen At Site

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Multiple U.S. intelligence sources saw Saddam Hussein enter a building in Baghdad on Monday and not emerge before four 1-ton Air Force bombs destroyed it, government officials said yesterday.
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Multiple U.S. intelligence sources saw Saddam Hussein enter a building in Baghdad on Monday and not emerge before four 1-ton Air Force bombs destroyed it, government officials said yesterday.
And how is this a fact. These "intelligence" leads have failed us quite often during this war. 10 of our 12 strongest leads about where Saddam was storing WMDs have been searched and resulted in nothing. So don't call any of these leads fact. It's all speculation at this point.
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This morning on CNN it was reported British intelligence said they had intelligence that Sadaam was alive.
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NASIRIYA, Iraq (CNN) -- A key Iraqi opposition leader says he has information that Saddam Hussein survived an airstrike in Baghdad and escaped from the capital with at least one of his sons.

However, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said he did not know whether Saddam was dead or alive.

"He's either dead, or he's incapacitated, or he's healthy and cowering in some tunnel someplace trying to avoid being caught. What else can one say?" Rumsfeld said.

Iraqi National Congress leader Ahmad Chalabi told CNN Wednesday the unconfirmed reports indicated that the Iraqi president had taken refuge in the city of Baqubah, northeast of the Iraqi capital.

"We have no evidence they have been killed in that attack. We know at least that Qusay, his son, has survived and he is occupying some houses in the Diyala area," Chalabi said.

The same reports indicated that Gen. Ali Hassan al-Majeed -- nicknamed "Chemical Ali" -- was wounded but alive and in the same area.

While Chalabi offered gratitude to the coalition for Iraq's liberation, he also expressed irritation that the coalition has not provided more assistance in cities such as Nasiriya and Basra.

As long as humanitarian and infrastructure problems in the country persist, Chalabi said, the country will remain unstable, despite the coalition's military progress. Referring to Iraqi's ruling Baath Party, he called for "de-Baathification" of the country.

"There will be no absolute security with the current situation. The U.S. troops have defeated Saddam militarily. That was never a problem. The issue is the Baath party and the remnants of the Baath party who will continue to pose a threat."

He asked why coalition officials are in Kuwait when the southern region is in "great need of assistance."

"This is true all over the south," he said.

"It's very important to be in the southern part of Iraq," he said, because people have become "dispossessed" and the citizenry needs to be "empowered."

"They must feel they are part of the political process," he said.

"Where is General Garner now?" Chalabi said, referring to retired Army Gen. Jay Garner, who is to head up U.S. reconstruction effort in Iraq.

"The people need assistance here in Nasiriya. Why are they not here? Why don't they work to rehabilitate the electricity and water? Why don't they start working on the curriculum? Why are they in Kuwait? This area is in great need of assistance now. People are hungry. Their supplies are going to run out. Basic services have to be restored," he said.

"Where are they?"

He said he met with a Marine commander in Nasiriya to "get a police force going."

"I think the way to move forward is to create a police force from scratch. Many of the police officers have gone home," he said.
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no, that's not true; let's stick to the facts here:
both times they tried to get him, he was there, but survived, either by escaping right before the bombs fell, or managed to get out somehow. so they weren't wrong, but they did fail to get him.

and as far as the WMD, give it time; you cannot say that there are none when they haven't even scratched the surface yet; finding them could take months.
a) pure speculation that he was there - it might be true but it might be that the US side was just just bad informed.
It happened in Afghanistan for example several times that local warlods gave the US a hint that Bin Laden is at a certain place to kill a concurent Warlord

b) i was mentioning facories where the US had "proof" that they were producing chemical weapons but they couldn't say more to protect their sources - about a dozen of the best US experts were flown to iraq in the first days of the war to show this to the world but they didn't find anything.

Today US would be glad if they would find at least some chemical weapons, even if the amount of these weapons might be far above the average of other countries - at least 20 warheads would be called success today, imagine the public response if the US administration would have declared war to Iraq because of 20 warheads.

My conclusion from this is that people who hated the US before will hate them much more, people who were neutral might become sceptical.

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But Klaus
*sarcasm*
Pesticides are against UN sanctions. That is why childhood deaths from diseases cause by blowflys is up 300% or so. I guess we could consider them WMD's.
*end sarcasm*
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Scarletwine:
*lol*

even more sarcasm:



that means they found 2/3 of what they were looking for (WMD=3 letters, MD=2 letters)

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Not really funny, unfortunately, that is what we have reaped regardless of the intention.

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