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Old 11-05-2006, 05:11 AM   #1
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Saddam Hussein sentenced to death....

It's totally unbelievable, just a few years ago this tyrant was terrorozing his people, living in golden palaces while his people starved, using chemical weapons on them, imprisoning them without trial, torturing, maiming, raping....and other unspeakable acts of cruelty. His sons were murderous maniacs who committed atrocities in their father's name....and the list is endless.

And look where he is now - in the prisoner's dock, sentenced to hang like the common criminal he is, brought to justice and made to pay the ultimate price for his crimes.

This couldn't have happened without the brave actions of the United States and the allies who are fighting a bitter war to bring this man and his cohorts to justice.

I pray that all the terrorist leaders will very soon follow in Husseins footsteps all the way up to the gallows, in order for the world to be rid of the cancer of terrorism.

It took 12 years and millions of lives until the Nazis were defeated and it will probably take longer to take down the terrorists leaders threatening our existance, but eventually their day of reckoning will come too, G-d willing.

G-d bless America and the allies.

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BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A combative Saddam Hussein was sentenced Sunday to death by hanging for his role in a brutal crackdown nearly 25 years ago in Dujail -- the once obscure Iraqi town that is now a symbol of his regime's cruelty.

Also sentenced to death were Barzan Hassan, Saddam Hussein's half-brother and former head of the intelligence agency, and Awad Bandar, the former chief judge of the Revolutionary Court.

Taha Yassin Ramadan, the former vice president of Iraq, was sentenced to life in prison.

"This is very clear, and I tell the people today that the verdict was predetermined and has nothing to do with court proceedings," Ramadan said.

Mohammed Azzawi Ali, a former Dujail Baath Party official, was acquitted because of insufficient evidence against him, the court said.

The three others -- Abdullah Kadhem Ruwaid, Ali Dayem Ali and Misher Abdullah Ruwaid -- were sentenced to 15 years.

The 50-minute session was dramatic. Hussein entered with a Quran in hand, as he had in the past.

Hussein argued with the chief judge, shouting, "You are the servants of the occupiers."

He began yelling Allahu Akhbar -- God is great -- as the verdict and sentencing was read. "Don't push me, boy," he said after the judge ordered him taken away.

Bandar also screamed Allahu Akhbar as he was being taken out of court.

The verdicts come nearly three years after U.S.-led forces plucked Hussein out of hiding and just a few days before U.S. midterm elections, with the Iraqi war at center stage.

The defendants filed into the courtroom one by one to receive their sentences from a five-judge panel.

Defense attorney Ramsey Clark was also in court, but he was soon ousted by judges. The court asked Clark to leave, saying he had come here from America to mock the Iraqi people and this court.

The tribunal met in Baghdad to render verdicts for the co-defendants for their roles in a systematic attack on the Shiite town of Dujail after someone tried to assassinate Hussein during a visit on July 8, 1982. (Watch scenes from Dujail crackdown, Baghdad preparations -- 3:20 )

The tribunal met amid heavy security and sweeping curfews in Baghdad and elsewhere, as authorities brace for violent reactions to the verdicts. (Full story)

About 2,000 protesters in Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit on Sunday defied the government's curfew and demonstrated in support of the former leader.

A witness said the protesters carried posters of the former president and were shooting into the air.

The numbers of demonstrators grew after the sentence was announced. A complete movement ban -- both people and vehicles -- was imposed on Sunday in the provinces of Baghdad, Diyala and Salaheddin -- where Tikrit is located.

The Baghdad International Airport also shut down until further notice.

Each defendant found guilty can appeal. The sentences of life imprisonment and death allow for an automatic appeal.

There is no limit on how long the appellate judges have to review the case file, but the statute states that a death sentence should be carried out within 30 days after all appeals are exhausted.

Outbursts and walkouts
The Dujail trial, the first in what is a series of proceedings against former regime officials, began October 19, 2005, and ended July 27. It was a turbulent courtroom battle witnessed on TV across the globe.

It was marked by outbursts and harangues from Hussein and his co-defendants, lawyer walkouts, much-criticized court actions, and complaints from lawyers about poor security. There were grave concerns about security for legal teams and their families; three defense lawyers were killed. (Full story)

Witness testimony and prosecutors got their case across, however. According to court documents, the military, political and security apparatus in Iraq and Dujail killed, arrested, detained and tortured men, women and children in the town. Homes were demolished and orchards were razed.

The Revolutionary Court sentenced 148 males to death, with Saddam's signature ratifying the order.

But there were other deaths as well -- nine people were killed during the destruction of orchards, and many of the 399 people who had been detained were either killed or remain missing.

Hussein, Hassan and Ramadan were charged with willful killing, deportation or forcible transfer of population; imprisonment or other severe deprivation of physical liberty in violation of fundamental norms of law; torture; enforced disappearance of persons, and other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering; or serious injury to the body or to the mental or physical health.

Bandar was charged with willful killing by issuing the death sentences for the 148 people.

The remaining defendants are lower-level Baath Party officials from Dujail, who were charged with informing on residents who later died in prison or were sentenced to death.
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Re: Saddam Hussein sentenced to death....

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It's totally unbelievable, just a few years ago this tyrant was terrorozing his people, living in golden palaces while his people starved, using chemical weapons on them, imprisoning them without trial, torturing, maiming, raping....and other unspeakable acts of cruelty. His sons were murderous maniacs who committed atrocities in their father's name....and the list is endless.

And look where he is now - in the prisoner's dock, sentenced to hang like the common criminal he is, brought to justice and made to pay the ultimate price for his crimes.

This couldn't have happened without the brave actions of the United States and the allies who are fighting a bitter war to bring this man and his cohorts to justice.

I pray that all the terrorist leaders will very soon follow in Husseins footsteps all the way up to the gallows, in order for the world to be rid of the cancer of terrorism.

It took 12 years and millions of lives until the Nazis were defeated and it will probably take longer to take down the terrorists leaders threatening our existance, but eventually their day of reckoning will come too, G-d willing.

G-d bless America and the allies.
I find it disgusting when people take pleasure in the fact that someone else has been sentenced to death.
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Horrible horrible man but no one has the right to sentence anyone to death. Life inprisonment is the best for him. His followers will make him a martyr, and he will clog up the judicial system for as long as possible.

Why do you write god G-d?
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I find it disgusting when people take pleasure in the fact that someone else has been sentenced to death.
I shouldn't be happy that someone so despicable was sentenced to die? Of course I take pleasure in it, just as I'll take pleasure in seeing the capture of Bin Laden and all of this friends.

Why do you find it disgusting? By what right does this excuse for a human being deserve to live when he didn't extend that luxury to thousands of people?
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Horrible horrible man but no one has the right to sentence anyone to death. Life inprisonment is the best for him. His followers will make him a martyr, and he will clog up the judicial system for as long as possible.

Why do you write god G-d?
I write G-d because in the Jewish religion it is forbidden to write the full name of G-d when we refer to the allmighty.

When I talk about gods in general then its permitted.
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Haha! I was just wondering that too.

I also wonder why people write f**k, c**t and the like too.
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Because then you are just as bad as him? Do you not see that? Yes there is no doubt they are despicable, digusting men, who took liberties with other peoples lives but NO ONE has the right to take a life, not them and NOT US.
He deserves life in prison, and face the people who's lifes he's ruined but death. No. That is not the right HUMAN way.
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Because then you are just as bad as him? Do you not see that? Yes there is no doubt they are despicable, digusting men, who took liberties with other peoples lives but NO ONE has the right to take a life, not them and NOT US.
He deserves life in prison, and face the people who's lifes he's ruined but death. No. That is not the right HUMAN way.
No one who kills for pleasure deserves to live.
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Why is it forbidden? Because he might smite you or something? or is it disrespectful to write his name. Do you say G dash D when you talk about him?

I agree indra, i don't know why people put little stars, just say the word, its just a word *shrugs* (though i did write see you next tuesday because i don't know how ok us peeps are with it and don't want to cause a meltdown in fym!)
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No one who kills for pleasure deserves to live.
But who are you to say who lives or dies. Who "deserves" to live or die? Yes he took other peoples life - that is WRONG. Therefore taking his life is WRONG. Can you not see that?

You think the worst punishment is death? To no longer live? Why? He dies and thats it. Life inprisonment is a much better solution!
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The question really isn't about Sadam Hussien anymore - sadly he's old news, the Iraq situation doesnt just boil down to one man - and ultimately I don't think that his fate will have too much impact on the political situation on the ground (alhtough for sure for some he'll become a matyr to some).

For sure the bodycount will continue to rise in iraq (check out www.iraqbodycount.org who claim that around 50,000 civilian deaths have occurred since 2003 even if there half right that's still an unacceptable level) - to get a real feel of Iraq go view some of the alliance armies "home videos" on YouTube I'd suggest a quick look as it portrays a place far darker than we see on CNN.

One of the original targets of deposing Sadam was to stabalise iraq - 3 years in does anyone (both US/Aliance or Iraq government) have the plan on how to acheive this?
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It's totally unbelievable, just a few years ago this tyrant was terrorozing his people, living in golden palaces while his people starved, using chemical weapons on them, imprisoning them without trial, torturing, maiming, raping....and other unspeakable acts of cruelty. His sons were murderous maniacs who committed atrocities in their father's name....and the list is endless.

And look where he is now - in the prisoner's dock, sentenced to hang like the common criminal he is, brought to justice and made to pay the ultimate price for his crimes.
I'm generally opposed to the death penalty but in this case i'm not too sorry to see him go.

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This couldn't have happened without the brave actions of the United States and the allies who are fighting a bitter war to bring this man and his cohorts to justice.
Oh, is that why they are fighting?

Because of Justice? They saw wrong, and they felt like it was the right thing to do to correct it?

Such noble motives...

I thought they were fighting because Saddam had weapons of mass destruction with which he could threaten us all? And he had ties with Al Quaida right?

Well, we all know by now those were blalant lies.

But did they really fight because of justice? The USA had no problem with Saddam while he was still on their side. They were more than happy to support him while he was fighting his war agianst Iran. Millions on deaths, but hey, who cares, let's support the guy, so what if he's a brutal dictator.

The USA has no problem with dictators, as long as those dictators are friendly towards to USA.

Here, number 10 on that list:
http://www.parade.com/articles/editi...2006/Dictators

Teodoro Obiang Nguema

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teodoro...Nguema_Mbasogo

"Most domestic and international observers consider his regime to be one of the most corrupt, ethnocentric, oppressive and anti-democratic states in the world."

Now what did you think that Condoleezza Rice had to say to Mr. Mbasogo when he came to visit the United States in 2006?

You'd think she'd have a word with Mbasogo about his dictatorship and the conditions in his country right?

Heck no! He's producing 400.000 barrels of oil a day! 560 million more in the ground!

They're not gonna critize him! Nothing but kind words for Mr. Mbasogo!





Bush wants to bring democracy to the middle east.
Don't you think it's funny how he never ever seem to critize Saudi Arabia?

Why would he? They're his personal business partners and they are dear friends and close allies of the United States!

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The situation of human rights in Saudi Arabia is generally considered to be very poor. The country is an absolute Islamic monarchy and is also the protector of Mecca and Medina, the key holy cities of Islam. Under the authoritarian rule of the Saudi royal family, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has enforced strict laws under a doctrine of Wahabism (a fundamentalist interpretation of sharia, Islamic religious law). Many freedoms as described in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights do not exist; it is alleged that capital punishment and other penalties are often given to suspected criminals without due process. Saudi Arabia has also come under fire for its oppression of religious and political minorities, torture of prisoners, and attitude toward foreign expatriates, homosexuality, and women. Although major human rights groups such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have repeatedly expressed concern about the states of human rights in Saudi Arabia, the kingdom denies that any human rights abuses take place. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has not ratified the International Convention against Torture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_r...n_Saudi_Arabia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Saudi_Arabia

But hey, they're allies, so we don't mind!

Now you can call me a bit sceptical but i don't believe the USA did fight this war because of justice or because they saw wrong and wanted to do right. They want more control over the Middle East and it's oil. 9/11 gave them the perfect oportunity to invade Iraq.


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I pray that all the terrorist leaders will very soon follow in Husseins footsteps all the way up to the gallows, in order for the world to be rid of the cancer of terrorism.
Saddam was a brutal dictator who ran a very opressive regime.

That has nothing to do with terrorism.



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It took 12 years and millions of lives until the Nazis were defeated and it will probably take longer to take down the terrorists leaders threatening our existance, but eventually their day of reckoning will come too, G-d willing.
I highly doubt that. "The War or Terror" can't be won and it will last as long as people are afraid and let themselves be frightenend.

Terrorism has been around for ages and i think it's highly unlikely that it'll ever go way.

You can either accept that or be frightened for the rest of your lives.

Now the policitians are more than happy to keep the United States frightend.

Fear is a great motivator.

Politicians used to promise a better future: "Vote for us and your life will be better!"

Now it seems to be "Vote for us or the terrorists will KILL you!"



Kinda funny when you think about it.

Also note how they're using Osama in there.

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

Now you shouldn't worry about Bin Laden, he's only public enemy number one and he's not important (it's Saddam you should worry about!)... unless there's an eclection! Vote Republican unless Osama will KILL you!

Aaaaahhh!

I dunno, to me the USA has lost all credibility.
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- Excellent - Excellent post -

now can anyone answer the question of how to bring stability to iraq? - our political leaders have got us into this situation - how do we think they should get us out of it?
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Nice present for the High Tribunal to give the President two days before the midterms in which the Republicans are endangered.

I'm not disputing the verdict, but was there any surprise? This was a political trial with a foregone conclusion and wrapped up nicely in time to give the President some badly needed advantageous PR.
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Re: Saddam Hussein sentenced to death....

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Originally posted by AchtungBono
It's totally unbelievable, just a few years ago this tyrant was terrorozing his people, living in golden palaces while his people starved, using chemical weapons on them, imprisoning them without trial, torturing, maiming, raping....and other unspeakable acts of cruelty. His sons were murderous maniacs who committed atrocities in their father's name....and the list is endless.

And look where he is now - in the prisoner's dock, sentenced to hang like the common criminal he is, brought to justice and made to pay the ultimate price for his crimes.

This couldn't have happened without the brave actions of the United States and the allies who are fighting a bitter war to bring this man and his cohorts to justice.

I pray that all the terrorist leaders will very soon follow in Husseins footsteps all the way up to the gallows, in order for the world to be rid of the cancer of terrorism.

It took 12 years and millions of lives until the Nazis were defeated and it will probably take longer to take down the terrorists leaders threatening our existance, but eventually their day of reckoning will come too, G-d willing.

G-d bless America and the allies.
I am Jewish (albeit secular). I firmly believe that the death penalty is inconsistent with Jewish values. You need to do some thinking before you keep celebrating the death of others. Do you remember the story of the Jews crossing the Red Sea? A Rabbi of mine always told it this way: It closed around the Pharoah's army and many Jews began celebrating their deaths. Then a man stood up and asked why they were celebrating the death of anybody, and what would G-d think? Ashamed, they stopped celebrating.

(He of course tells it more eloquently but I haven't heard him tell it since my childhood.)
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