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Old 01-01-2007, 12:01 AM   #181
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Axver yes I have been. But I cannot back away from my view.
"...the person you are yesterday is not the person you are today. It stands to reason then that the person who committed a crime may not be the person who you punish for the crime. If jail is supposed to be corrective, then what do you do if the correction works? What happens, if for whatever reason, a jail actually accomplishes its job and makes a new person out of someone? How do you deal with that?..."
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Old 01-01-2007, 12:10 AM   #182
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i know how to kill someone by lethal injection, but cannot spell. figures.

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Both are different situations. I would help the person in the street. Lethal injection, I dont this is painful unless I am wrong and someone can correct me in that .
Two needles are inserted into usable veins, usually in the arms. The condemned is first given a 5.0 gram dose of sodium thiopental, an anaesthestic that puts the recipient to sleep. Then comes 50cc of pancuronium bromide that paralyses the breathing muscles. finally 50cc of potassium chloride stops the heart. Death results essentially from poisoning in about 15 minutes. The cost of the chemicals is about $US87.00.


But hey, at least it's cheap.
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Old 01-01-2007, 02:28 AM   #183
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Does expensive make it any better?
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Old 01-01-2007, 04:30 AM   #184
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Do you expect answers to rhetorical questions?
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Old 01-01-2007, 09:48 AM   #185
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Mohammed Natiq, a 24-year-old college student, said "the path of Arab nationalism must inevitably be paved with blood."

"God has decided that Saddam Hussein should have such an end, but his march and the course which he followed will not end," Natiq said.
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Old 01-01-2007, 02:26 PM   #186
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Saddam has three daughters, and many grandchildren.

They are all likely mourning the loss of their father and grandfather now.

And all some of you can do is celebrate his death as though he was nothing more than the dirt on the bottom of your shoe.
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Old 01-01-2007, 02:31 PM   #187
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they should be mourning the fact that their father/grandfather happened to be someone who tortured and murdered hundreds of thousands of people. if he had spent the rest of his days in jail, they would probably have had to think about that sooner or later. now they're just mourning his death.


this is an interesting question, btw.: will family members always love someone in the family, regardless of what kind of monster he or she turns into?
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this is an interesting question, btw.: will family members always love someone in the family, regardless of what kind of monster he or she turns into?
No. A friend of mine has not spoken to her abusive alcoholic father in 30 years and has no plans to ever reconcile the situation. Knowing her story, I can't really blame here. Love does have its limits, thankfully. Losing the love of family members is the ultimate punishment.
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Old 01-01-2007, 03:18 PM   #189
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thats what i would think, too.

the question now is, how can saddam's relatives keep loving him, fully aware of what he has done?
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Saddam never harmed one American

"Saddam hugged him and said he would be his brother."

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Saddam Hussein spent three years in US custody prior to his execution
An army nurse has provided a unique insight into former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein's time in US custody.

Master Sergeant Robert Ellis revealed how the dictator, executed on Saturday December 30th for crimes against humanity, watered weeds in the Baghdad prison garden and saved bread crusts from his meals to give to birds.

"He said he was a farmer when he was young and he never forgot where he came from," he said.

The nurse, who monitored Saddam's health between 2004 and 2005, also said the 69-year-old told him of how he used to read bedtime stories to his children.

Sgt Ellis told his hometown's paper the St Louis Post-Dispatch that Saddam was held in a cell that measured six by eight feet (1.8m by 2.4m); with a cot, a table, two plastic chairs and two wash basins.

"One day when I went to see him, he asked why we invaded. Well, he made gestures like shooting a machine gun and asked why soldiers came and shot up the place. He said the laws in Iraq were fair and the weapons inspectors didn't find anything," Sgt Ellis revealed.

"I said, 'That's politics. We soldiers don't get caught up in that sort of thing."

Sgt Ellis, who referred to Saddam as Victor under military code, said he was told by a US colonel that "Saddam Hussein cannot die in US custody", adding himself: "That was my job: to keep him alive and healthy, so they could kill him at a later date."

The soldier explained that the former president had "very good coping skills" and did not fear death but remained defiant that his actions had been for the good of Iraq.

When Sgt Ellis returned to the US because his brother was dying he revealed that Saddam hugged him and said he would be his brother.
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why didnt the soldier ask him why he invaded two of his neighbouring countries and had millions of people killed in the process?
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I admit, if this thread title had been Saddam - burninated !! I would have cracked up. Or Saddam - owned by rope !!
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Old 01-01-2007, 04:14 PM   #193
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I admit, if this thread title had been Saddam - burninated !! I would have cracked up. Or Saddam - owned by rope !!
That is just callous.
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The way saddam ended was sad, no one should die in that way.
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why didnt the soldier ask him why he invaded two of his neighbouring countries and had millions of people killed in the process?
he invaded Iran at our (U S) behest

to contain the Ayatollah (the guy that threw the Shah (our puppet) out and took Americans hostage)

Saddam was executed for putting down
an attempted Shia (Iranian) assassination on his life in 1982 (having those involved killed, the way it is done during times of war and treason - collaboration with the enemy, Iran)

What did America (the then Reagan administration) think of that?

Well, Reagan sent Rumsfeld in 1983
(the year after 1982 incident
that Saddam was executed for)

to say "Good job!"



do you or can anyone consider this trial, and conviction legitimate?

Two of the defense lawyers were murdered during the trial.
The judge was removed and replaced by a Judge more to the liking of the Shias and Iranians.

The defense was not allowed the standard right to call witnesses.

What do I think of Saddam? I think he is (was) probably guilty of great crimes deserving severe punishment

I think there is much exaggeration in what is attributed to him,
much like the WMDs claims and 911 links that all but the completely ignorant still cling to.
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