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Old 03-09-2003, 10:23 PM   #1
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Russia-France, Reasons they dont want to go to War

Allright, much has been said about the reason the US want to go to war. Oil, WMD, crimes againist Iraqi people. But what are the main motivation of France, Russia and Germany being dead againist it?

Could it be that they are peace loving people againist all wars, or really think the inspections are going to bring forth a de-militarized Iraq?

Well I do believe they feel this way, but is this the only reason they oppose war? Are there other motivations to oppose war?


I was watching the news the other day and it showed the intretests France and Russia has in Iraq. I cant remember the news channel and i looked around (not very hard) for an article and couldnt find one but this is what i remember.

Russia has a LARGE stake in devolping oil fields in Iraq post sanctions.

France has a LARGE stake in producing oil in Iraq post sanctions.

There was more but i cant remember them. But should we examine the financial reasons these countries are backing Iraq like we are examining the US reasons?

If anyone has any info on these please post them, i am intrested in what people from both sides of the arguement think about that.
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I think the answer is in your post bonoman - $$$$$$$$
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I think the answer is in your post bonoman - $$$$$$$$
Yes. When my sister was in Kiev this past September I tried keeping up with the Ukrainian news, which was not easy because I don't read a word of either Russian or Ukrainian (yes, they are separate languages, they even have different alphabets). They have interests in the Middle East, too. Sometimes they conflict with others. But the disputes all do seem to involve $$$$.
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as far as I'm able to tell it's about money and/or domestic politics
it has very little to do with a quest for peace
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So why do you think Germany is against that war?
They buy their oil mostly from British companies, some oil from French companies.

So a war would reduce our Oil costs a little (if you want to follow this oil logic)

Could it be - think about it for a moment - that they really have more interests in a peaceful sollution (i'm NOT talking about ignoring the problem) than in economy?

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Could it be - think about it for a moment - that they really have more interests in a peaceful sollution (i'm NOT talking about ignoring the problem) than in economy?
it's a lovely thought but highly doubtful.
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as far as I'm able to tell it's about money and/or domestic politics
it has very little to do with a quest for peace
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well motives aside, a quest for peace is always better than a quest for war, yes?
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So why do you think Germany is against that war?
domestic politics
Schroeder won a lot of votes because of his anti-war campaign
even if war would be the right decision he isn't able to admit to that anymore
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well motives aside, a quest for peace is always better than a quest for war, yes?
not nesecarely
a quest for the right solution without alternative motives would be best
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well motives aside, a quest for peace is always better than a quest for war, yes?
Oh, of course. I don't want to be too cynical and claim the whole thing is $$$. Having said that I do think there are a few money interests involved. Supposedly some people in Ukraine are making money from some ties in Middle Eastern countries. This stuff was in the news when my sister was in Kiev. I didn't quite understand the whole thing, they translated the stuff from the Kiev newspapers and some of the reports weren't clear.
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Re: Russia-France, Reasons they dont want to go to War

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Allright, much has been said about the reason the US want to go to war. Oil, WMD, crimes againist Iraqi people. But what are the main motivation of France, Russia and Germany being dead againist it?

Could it be that they are peace loving people againist all wars, or really think the inspections are going to bring forth a de-militarized Iraq?

Well I do believe they feel this way, but is this the only reason they oppose war? Are there other motivations to oppose war?



Klaus re-read this. Please
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not nesecarely
a quest for the right solution without alternative motives would be best
dear diary,

i would like to remind you i said "better" as opposed to "best."
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Salome:

He is able to change his mind, since when do Politicans care about the promisses they made in election campaigns?

Remember what George Walker B. promissed and what he did.

bonoman:
So my answer was: maybe there isn't.
I guess being on the US side would bring lots of positive things for the German Government, Some millions of $ maybee, maybee the chance to become a permanent member of the UN security council. Well i think they have no chance to become a permanent member there as long as they are running a non-US course there.

So.. from my point of view it's highly irrational from the economic and political infuence point of view, to do what Schroeder does. And therefore it might be possible that Schroeder does it because he thinks G.W.B. way of "problem solving" will lead to chaos in the world.

So my conclusion:
I'm affraid his primary motivation is "no war as long as there are other options"

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France and Russia are jockeying for position in the new world order.

As for Germany, frankly with their war history of the past century, I'm not sure why anybody would be quick to criticize them if they are weary about heading off to the battle field.
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