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Old 03-14-2003, 09:52 PM   #76
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France Russia and Germany = GREED.
Their motives have nothing to do w humanity.
Their motives lie in oil contracts and billions of dollars.

They will be exposed after the conflict whilst you libs dream up excuses for them..


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Diamond,

Do you not think that Germany has a perfectly reasonable and valid reason to not want to join any wars? They have a history of not sending their troops to fight since WW2, and I believe that criticizing them by invoking greed is baseless. Simply put, this country has consistently not wanted to enter wars in the last 60 years, and they have a perfectly justifiable reason. Why do you want to push them into it?

I can understand lumping France and Russia into on group even, but Germany has a whole different set of circumstances.
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perhaps youre correct.
lets wait and see.

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oh btw-
when will France decide to build nice cars?

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" At one point france and germany were selling iraq equipment at 4 x the standard price..why..because it was the only deal iraq could get....if the structure of these other deals"

When, which deal?

"at the very least these deals should be restructured"

The danger of "restructuring" deals is that it might lead to a "united fruit company" style of rearanging deals.

So, if the new government isn't getting preasure from differnt sides it's a nice idea. If there is preasure it will forever get a "colony taste" - we should be aware that this could destroy the morale legitimation of this government and might have serious consequences.
When i look at the UN these days i'm affraid both sides are willing to put preasure on the new regime


"Also sanctions will be lifted once regime change or disarmement are accomplished."

not regime change OR disarment, just disarment should be the reason for lifting sanctions. Why do you think a new regime will do better with those WMD's?


"But restructuring deals in a post saddam iraq does make sense."

You are right, but you have to take care not to destroy more than you gain.
You might loose some millions of $ if you don't rearange them (compared to the total costs of war nothing). But if you destroy the credibility of the regime by that (looking like "yet another installed dictator") you might loose the whole investment. And this time i'm not just talking about the $ for the war but also about the blood of the US and the Iraqi soldiers.


"Also similar arrangements were done after WW2 with germany and japan.....and those worked out more than fine."

I'm not sure what you are referencing here. Germany had no much deals with other countries which had to be canceled.
And the few companies which werent completely destroyed, like degussa continued their contracts like before.


"also...in fact it was NOt restructuring germany's economy after WW1..and in fact making it worse that led to the rise of hitler and WW2...and that versaille treaty was another brilliant european innovation in foreign policy...."

The problem was not the "not restructuring" it was the reperations costs. Germany had to pay huge - really huge amounts of money per year to par the war costs of the winners" Because of that german economy collapsed, extremists like hittler who had the "easy solution": "everything which goes wrong in this country is because of the evil zionists". I'm still unsure why fools believe in such a sick "easy solution" - but obviousely they did and humans are willing to beLIEve again and again, wiping away all logic, just happy that everything will be allright after we fought these ***

I'm sorry that was a little too long and offtopic but i get angry every time i think about idiots like the nazis and the fools who are willing to believe such a cheap propaganda.

Klaus

yes but still klaus...let's then remove germany...let's take japan as a post ww2 example...there was siginificant change in the japanese financial structure during the time following WW2.


Also...germany and france did sell prohibited parts to iraq at 4 x teh intl price....gimme some time to find the article.



All i'm saying in this thread...that the United states...if in fact are wrong..would be commiting perhaps the most minor infraction of any western power taking into account the scope of history.



If europe wants to say " look we've made out mistakes and this is why you should go into iraq"....I'll except that..but right now....in my eyes europe is a prostitute claiming to be virgin when it comes to protecting the welfare of other races.






Honestly...if The Us takes iraq..India should take pakistan the next day...as pakistan poses a confirmed and genuiune threat to india and a bigger threat to world security than iraq...



Pakistan has nukes...it's government is endangered by fundamentalist elements.....yet the Us is in bed with them


the bush administration is a sad joke. it can't uniformly apply it's policies. now can it seem to genuinly assess real threats to world security



let's face it ppl...it's not a coincidence all the major al qaeda arrests occur in pakistan.
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France Russia and Germany = GREED.
Their motives have nothing to do w humanity.
Their motives lie in oil contracts and billions of dollars.

They will be exposed after the conflict whilst you libs dream up excuses for them..


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The republican administrations line over on iraq the years has nothing to do with humanity.Diamond


in 1988 when saddam gassed his own ppl the reagan administration didn't even condemn the action.


in 1991 the bush adiministration failed to heed the pleas of the kurds and Shia's and left them out to dry in iraq.


and to be honest....I've said this before..the administration has NO clue why they are invading iraq


is it because of alqaeda.....no..they can't prove it


Wmd's....if saddam had Wmd's..they wouldn't invade..it's why were not invading korea


humanitarian reasons???....well...there were humanitarian issues in the early 90's....other than establish no fly zones....the Bush admin did jack



The bush admin has not given me one hard reason for me to believe that iraq is a bigger threat to national security than N korea or pakistan. ..and it's ridiculous.
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One step at a time.

Presently were taking care of what Hillary's husband didnt have the nuts to do..because they were in a certain intern's mouth(allegedly according to court testimony..when he shoulda had his mind on the job..(sorry truth stings)

That said,
we will take care of Korea at the approiate time.
And we will.
This Administration is about one step at a time..not sound bites and blow jobs.
And then covering up the bjs..

Sorry to inform you,we dont have to oust Saddam because of a link to Al-Queda.

The USA doesnt have to capitulate to forien policy implemented by weak minded liberals and their focus groups..

Once you grasp that simple concept , your days will be filled w/awestruck and wonderment joy as President Bush makes the world a safer place for-

Americans
Muslims
Hindu Nations

and all civil free nations, who oppose terror..

Oh-
and hope you enjoyed the terriost training camp picture in Iraq.

Heres another Iraqi terrorist training camp-



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diamond, you do realize that with your past few posts on this page, that they symbolize the EXACT reasons why so many people around the world hate the united states?
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Old 03-15-2003, 02:21 AM   #84
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If the USA makes the world safer. We will pay that price..

Hate us now.
Thank us later.

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If the USA makes the world safer. We will pay that price..

Hate us now.
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Once you grasp that simple concept , your days will be filled w/awestruck and wonderment joy as President Bush makes the world a safer place for-

Are you high?

I want some.
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Gods Gift of your sexiness and intellect pales in comparison to the USA's track record of-

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let this be understood for the record..

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[B]France Russia and Germany = GREED.
U.S. and U.K = GREED (just as much as anyone else)

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Their motives have nothing to do w humanity.
"ditto" for U.S. and U.K. (at least under these regimes; come on what was the U.S. position for oh, how many years? And what about all the other human-rights abuses that occur daily around the world under the hands of repressive regimes and corporations like NIKE? Where are the world's governments here? Whatever.)

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Their motives lie in oil contracts and billions of dollars.
Man, are you sure you aren't talking about the U.S. and the Bush administration? I mean, you know, the folks who will profit millions from all the new oil and other contracts resulting from the Iraqi war? Because it should be well known by now, after all it's flatly documented evidence. Is it just a matter of wearing blinders because the truth hurts? Fantasy-land is nice?
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Spinsters from the left grit ther teeth and can now only pray.

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im going to bed.
im tired of kicking all your back-sides this evening

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