Rush Limbaugh Defines A Real Vs A "Phony" Soldier

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Modern Heroes
Our soldiers like what they do. They want our respect, not pity.

BY ROBERT D. KAPLAN
Thursday, October 4, 2007 12:01 a.m. EDT

I'm weary of seeing news stories about wounded soldiers and assertions of "support" for the troops mixed with suggestions of the futility of our military efforts in Iraq. Why aren't there more accounts of what the troops actually do? How about narrations of individual battles and skirmishes, of their ever-evolving interactions with Iraqi troops and locals in Baghdad and Anbar province, and of increasingly resourceful "patterning" of terrorist networks that goes on daily in tactical operations centers?

The sad and often unspoken truth of the matter is this: Americans have been conditioned less to understand Iraq's complex military reality than to feel sorry for those who are part of it.

The media struggles in good faith to respect our troops, but too often it merely pities them. I am generalizing, of course. Indeed, there are regular, stellar exceptions, quite often in the most prominent liberal publications, from our best military correspondents. But exceptions don't quite cut it amidst the barrage of "news," which too often descends into therapy for those who are not fighting, rather than matter-of-fact stories related by those who are.

As one battalion commander complained to me, in words repeated by other soldiers and marines: "Has anyone noticed that we now have a volunteer Army? I'm a warrior. It's my job to fight." Every journalist has a different network of military contacts. Mine come at me with the following theme: We want to be admired for our technical proficiency--for what we do, not for what we suffer. We are not victims. We are privileged.





The cult of victimhood in American history first flourished in the aftermath of the 1960s youth rebellion, in which, as University of Chicago Prof. Peter Novick writes, women, blacks, Jews, Native Americans and others fortified their identities with public references to past oppressions. The process was tied to Vietnam, a war in which the photographs of civilian victims "displaced traditional images of heroism." It appears that our troops have been made into the latest victims.
Heroes, according to the ancients, are those who do great deeds that have a lasting claim to our respect. To suffer is not necessarily to be heroic. Obviously, we have such heroes, who are too often ignored. Witness the low-key coverage accorded to winners of the Medal of Honor and of lesser decorations.

The first Medal of Honor in the global war on terror was awarded posthumously to Army Sgt. First Class Paul Ray Smith of Tampa, Fla., who was killed under withering gunfire protecting his wounded comrades outside Baghdad airport in April 2003.

According to LexisNexis, by June 2005, two months after his posthumous award, his stirring story had drawn only 90 media mentions, compared with 4,677 for the supposed Quran abuse at Guantanamo Bay, and 5,159 for the court-martialed Abu Ghraib guard Lynndie England. While the exposure of wrongdoing by American troops is of the highest importance, it can become a tyranny of its own when taken to an extreme.

Media frenzies are ignited when American troops are either the perpetrators of acts resulting in victimhood, or are victims themselves. Meanwhile, individual soldiers daily performing complicated and heroic deeds barely fit within the strictures of news stories as they are presently defined. This is why the sporadic network and cable news features on heroic soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan comes across as so hokey. After all, the last time such reports were considered "news" was during World War II and the Korean War.

In particular, there is Fox News's occasional series on war heroes, whose apparent strangeness is a manifestation of the distance the media has traveled away from the nation-state in the intervening decades. Fox's war coverage is less right-wing than it is simply old-fashioned, antediluvian almost. Fox's commercial success may be less a factor of its ideological base than of something more primal: a yearning among a large segment of the public for a real national media once again--as opposed to an international one. Nationalism means patriotism, and patriotism requires heroes, not victims.





Let's review some recent history. From Sept. 11, 2001, until the middle of 2003, when events in Afghanistan and Iraq appeared to be going well, the media portrayed the troops in an uncomplicated, positive light. Young reporters who embedded early on became acquainted with men and women in uniform, by whom they were frankly impressed. But their older editors, children of the '60s often, were skeptical. Once these wars started going badly, skepticism turned to a feeling of having been duped, a sentiment amplified by the Abu Ghraib prison scandal.
That led to a different news cycle, this time with the troops as war criminals. But that cycle could not be sustained by the facts beyond the specific scandal. So by the end of 2004, yet another news cycle set in, the one that is still with us: the troops as victims of an incompetent and evil administration. The irony is that the daily actions of the troops now, living among Iraqis, applying the doctrines of counterinsurgency, and engaged regularly in close-quarters combat, are likely more heroic than in the period immediately following 9/11.

Objectively speaking, the troops can be both victims and heroes--that is, if the current phase of the war does indeed turn out to be futile. My point is only to note how the media has embraced the former theme and downplayed the latter. The LexisNexis statistics reveal the extent to which the media is uncomfortable with traditional heroism, of the kind celebrated from Herodotus through World War II. If that's not the case, then why don't we read more accounts about the battlefield actions of Silver Star winners, Bronze Star winners and the like?

Feeling comfortable with heroes requires a lack of cynicism toward the cause for which they fight. In the 1990s, when exporting democracy and militarily responding to ethnic and religious carnage were looked up upon, U.S. Army engineering units in Bosnia were lionized merely for laying bridges across rivers. Those soldiers did not need to risk their lives or win medals in order to be glorified by the media. Indeed, the media afforded them more stature than it does today's Medal of Honor winners. When a war becomes unpopular, the troops are in a sense deserted. In the eyes of professional warriors, pity can be a form of debasement.





Rather than hated, like during Vietnam, now the troops are "loved." But the best units don't want love; they want respect. The dilemma is that the safer the administration keeps us at home, the more disconnected the citizenry is from its own military posted abroad. An army at war and a nation at the mall do not encounter each other except through the refractive medium of news and entertainment.
That medium is refractive because while the U.S. still has a national military, it no longer has a national media to quite the same extent. The media is increasingly representative of an international society, whose loyalty to a particular territory is more and more diluted. That international society has ideas to defend--ideas of universal justice--but little actual ground. And without ground to defend, it has little need of heroes. Thus, future news cycles will also be dominated by victims.

The media is but one example of the slow crumbling of the nation-state at the upper layers of the social crust--a process that because it is so gradual, is also deniable by those in the midst of it. It will take another event on the order of 9/11 or greater to change the direction we are headed. Contrary to popular belief, the events of 9/11--which are perceived as an isolated incident--did not fundamentally change our nation. They merely interrupted an ongoing trend toward the decay of nationalism and the devaluation of heroism.

Mr. Kaplan, a correspondent for The Atlantic and a visiting professor at the U.S. Naval Academy, is the author of "Hog Pilots, Blue Water Grunts: The American Military in the Air, at Sea, and on the Ground," just published by Random House.
 
Who is looking out for the soldiers?

Pentagon deliberately wrote orders for 729 days instead of 730.

Iraq vets say Pentagon is denying benefits







When they came home from Iraq, 2,600 members of the Minnesota National Guard had been deployed longer than any other ground combat unit.

The tour lasted 22 months and had been extended as part of President Bush's surge.

And 1st Lt. Jon Anderson says he never expected to come home to this: A government refusing to pay education benefits he says he should have earned under the GI bill.

"It's pretty much a slap in the face," Anderson said. "I think it was a scheme to save money, personally. I think it was a leadership failure by the senior Washington leadership, once again failing the soldiers."

Here's what happened: Anderson's orders, and the orders of 1,161 other Minnesota guard members, were written for 729 days. Had they been written for 730 days -- one day more -- the soldiers would receive those benefits to pay for school.

"Which would be allowing the soldiers an extra $500 to $800 a month," Anderson said.

That money would help him pay for his master's degree in public administration.

It would help Anderson's fellow platoon leader, John Hobot, pay for a degree in law enforcement.

"I would assume, and I would hope, that when I get back from a deployment of 22 months, my senior leadership in Washington -- (the leadership) that extended us in the first place -- would take care of us once we got home," Hobot said.

Both Hobot and Anderson believe the Pentagon deliberately wrote orders for 729 days instead of 730.
 
I have tuned in to Limbaugh today

and he is missing in action

on this one.


Perhaps these phony soldiers do not deserve beneifts?



I did hear about it on Air America

I guess The Left does care about the soldiers that are risking their lifes. :shrug:
 
deep said:

I did hear about it on Air America

I guess The Left does care about the soldiers that are risking their lifes. :shrug:

Haven't you heard a word Diamond or AEON have said? The left hate soliders.

The right loves them, even if it's only in word.
 
As a lefty, I hate the sin (the war itself), not the sinner (members of the military). Unless the sinners are civilians in the White House. Then I hate them.
 
deep said:
Who is looking out for the soldiers?

Pentagon deliberately wrote orders for 729 days instead of 730.


C'mon - you are dealing with a huge organization. There will be paperwork mistakes. I have to fight Tuition Assistance from time to time. It's a headache, but I never think it is some sort of conspiracy to shave a buck or two. It is simply the nature of a huge organization.
 
AEON said:


C'mon - you are dealing with a huge organization. There will be paperwork mistakes. I have to fight Tuition Assistance from time to time. It's a headache, but I never think it is some sort of conspiracy to shave a buck or two. It is simply the nature of a huge organization.

Really? You think it was just a clerical error that their tour of duty was officially written one day shy of the duration that would allow them tuition assistance?

That seems a very suspicious error, especially when the error saves the organization so much money.
 
AEON said:
C'mon - you are dealing with a huge organization. There will be paperwork mistakes. I have to fight Tuition Assistance from time to time. It's a headache, but I never think it is some sort of conspiracy to shave a buck or two. It is simply the nature of a huge organization.

I give up.
 
Diemen said:


Really? You think it was just a clerical error that their tour of duty was officially written one day shy of the duration that would allow them tuition assistance?

That seems a very suspicious error, especially when the error saves the organization so much money.

You are looking at hundreds and hundreds of thousands of deployments. Of course there will be errors.

If you want to think there is some grand conspiracy by the Pentagon to deny soldiers their benefits - you are certainly entitled to do so.
 
It's so blatantly obvious that it was intentional. It's sheer blindness to not see it.
 
This is one of the main reasons why a man I know (who served in Iraq in 2003) is starting an organization to help soldiers get access to the educational benefits they are owed.

If you want more reasons to get pissed at the Pentagon for making it difficult/impossible for people who lay life and limb on the line for our country to access promised benefits, read this series:
http://www.boston.com/news/specials/veterans/
 
AEON said:


You are looking at hundreds and hundreds of thousands of deployments. Of course there will be errors.

If you want to think there is some grand conspiracy by the Pentagon to deny soldiers their benefits - you are certainly entitled to do so.



this is really, really naive. i'm sorry, but it is.

and if it's an error, please point out the people who have obviously been fired over it.
 
AEON said:


C'mon - you are dealing with a huge organization. There will be paperwork mistakes. I have to fight Tuition Assistance from time to time.


I don't believe Haliburton or KRB have ever had to fight to get their (our) money.



And come to think of it.

When they have robbed us by charging for nothing or over billing millions
what has been their punishment?


They have to return it. But, only if they get caught.


I bet there are a lot of embezzler's that would like to be free to go down the road for just returning the money.
 
AEON said:


You are looking at hundreds and hundreds of thousands of deployments. Of course there will be errors.

If you want to think there is some grand conspiracy by the Pentagon to deny soldiers their benefits - you are certainly entitled to do so.

When these errors are costing soldiers money they were counting on to move on with their lives, then somebody besides "the organization" better be held accountable and these errors better be fixed.

It's simply absurd to chalk up this level of poor service to the nature of a big organization. If that's just the nature of the game, then the game needs to change. Shafting the people who put life and limb on the line for their country is inexcusable. If it's because of organizational errors, then those errors need to be rooted out and fixed so they don't happen anymore. I'm surprised you of all people are ok with this, Aeon.
 
AEON said:


C'mon - you are dealing with a huge organization. There will be paperwork mistakes. I have to fight Tuition Assistance from time to time. It's a headache, but I never think it is some sort of conspiracy to shave a buck or two. It is simply the nature of a huge organization.

And on this, and Eight year reservist we will disagree!

During Desert Storm, we the reversists were activated right up to the day before we would have had veteran's status.

They FUCK reservists all the time.

It has nothing to do with the nature of the organization.
 
Clear Channel won't air that ad I posted earlier in the thread on Limbaugh's station in Palm Beach. The reason is one of the funniest things I have ever heard

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/04/votevets-censored/

John Hunt, the vice president/market manager for Clear Channel in Palm Beach, wrote a letter yesterday explaining his station’s decision not air McGough’s ad. Hunt’s rationale was not that the ad was inaccurate or that it posed legal issues, but rather, the ad presented information that “would conflict with the listeners who have chosen to listen to Rush Limbaugh.”

Limbaugh also said this about the soldier in that ad

In response, Limbaugh today attacked McGough, comparing him to a suicide bomber and suggesting that someone “pumped him full of these lies about what I said“:

This is such a blatant use of a valiant combat veteran, lying to him about what I said and then strapping those lies to his belt, sending him out via the media and a TV ad to walk into as many people as he can walk into.

This man will always be a hero to this country with everyone. Whoever pumped him full of these lies about what I said and embarrassed him with this ad has betrayed him, they aren’t hurting me. They are betraying this soldier.

In McGough’s case, Rush’s comments are especially tactless. McGough’s injury in Iraq “resulted from a real-life suicide bomber.” On DailyKos, McGough responds to Limbaugh:

I can assure you that I am no suicide bomber and that I can think for myself. […]

Rush, your phony soldier comments pissed me off. The audacity of someone like you who never had the courage to stand and fight for what you believe in makes my head spin. That is what made me stand up and state my convictions in front of a camera. I wanted to point out that you are wrong. I am not a phony soldier. […]

In the commercial I just taped, I told you unless you had the guts to say something to my face, stop telling lies about my service. Well you haven’t had the guts to say it to my face, but I am waiting and the offer is still on the table.
 
Diemen said:


When these errors are costing soldiers money they were counting on to move on with their lives, then somebody besides "the organization" better be held accountable and these errors better be fixed.

It's simply absurd to chalk up this level of poor service to the nature of a big organization. If that's just the nature of the game, then the game needs to change. Shafting the people who put life and limb on the line for their country is inexcusable. If it's because of organizational errors, then those errors need to be rooted out and fixed so they don't happen anymore. I'm surprised you of all people are ok with this, Aeon.

I'm not okay with it. My family and I fight the "system" all of the time. As an officer I spend much of my time fixing "system" mistakes.

However, I am somewhat skeptical of the Left caring about these soldiers. Somehow I get the feeling they enjoy giving this administration a black eye whenever they can.

And guess what - these problems existed under Clinton as well. I certainly didn't see this sort of caring back then from the Left.
 
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Dreadsox said:


And on this, and Eight year reservist we will disagree!

During Desert Storm, we the reversists were activated right up to the day before we would have had veteran's status.

They FUCK reservists all the time.

It has nothing to do with the nature of the organization.

Maybe I've had better luck. I'm sorry you've been screwed. I seriously am sorry.

For the most part, the problems I have had - I have been able to get resolved...eventually.
 
AEON said:


Maybe I've had better luck. I'm sorry you've been screwed. I seriously am sorry.

For the most part, the problems I have had - I have been able to get resolved...eventually.

I could give a shit about me in this case.

Its the people the system told were losing their reservists jobs because the unit was being moved to the south (politics is a bitch) after Desert Storm. Not only did they not get Vet. status, they then were told, some of whom had five years left, that they had to go retrain as a cook if they wanted to get the fing pension. Good hard working reservists, who loved their country, served honorably, and fulfilled their obligations to their contract for 25+ years.

Why did it the unit get moved to the south? Not because of our performance. THe votes of our congressional delegation.

Sorry, the system sucks. The do not look out for the reservists PERIOD.
 
AEON said:

However, I am somewhat skeptical of the Left caring about these soldiers. Somehow I get the feeling they enjoy giving this administration a black eye whenever they can.



one has to support the administration in order to support the soldiers!?!?!!
 
AEON said:

However, I am somewhat skeptical of the Left caring about these soldiers. Somehow I get the feeling they enjoy giving this administration a black eye whenever they can.

And guess what - these problems existed under Clinton as well. I certainly didn't see this sort of caring back then from the Left.

:rolleyes:

So supporting troops means, kissing the administration's ass...
 
AEON said:
However, I am somewhat skeptical of the Left caring about these soldiers. Somehow I get the feeling they enjoy giving this administration a black eye whenever they can.

:banghead:

What a debacle.
 
AEON said:
And guess what - these problems existed under Clinton as well. I certainly didn't see this sort of caring back then from the Left.

The huge difference being that Clinton didn't start a needless war that put so many in harm's way.

And I'm honestly shocked that you are so far gone in your partisanship that you actually doubt that people care about the troops simply because of their political alignment. I hope one day you realize how utterly insulting and absurd that is.
 
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AEON said:


I have left the Republican party.

Curious. You tie supporting the troops with supporting the administration, but you no longer consider yourself a member of the administration's party?

Regardless, your continued references to "the Left" as if it is some unified front of soldier-bashing, freedom-hating cynics betray quite a bit of partisanship.
 
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