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Old 03-09-2006, 11:43 PM   #16
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By flaunting the intent of the judicial break up of AT&T and reforming it?

Actually, want to know why the Reagan Administration, of all administrations, continued forward on the antitrust breakup instead of burying it (like Bush did with the Microsoft antitrust trial)? AT&T, in the 1970s, had signed a consent decree with the U.S. government where it agreed to never expand into computer applications of telephony. AT&T regretted it almost as soon as it signed it, knowing the potential for such things as the internet (while it was still in its infancy, they likely saw the potential for large corporations to want to create wide-area networks or whatnot). So AT&T, wanting to cast off its slow-growth local telephone service anyway, wanted this breakup, in exchange for scrapping the consent decree. And it got exactly what it wanted.
For the years of litigation and the costs incurred by the breakup, it is quite a stretch to say that AT&T "got what it wanted".
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I'll take the 35 hour work week and month vacation, thank you.
I'd say take it if you can get it.
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Cingular cannot afford to raise prices unnecessarily, as Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile sit waiting for the net add subscriber.

And wireless is cheap when you consider that each company has to build its entire infrastructure on its own. And it is a continual project as new subscribers tax systems and force construction of new sites to handle traffic.
With fewer competitors and less competition, plans offered now are less generous than they were two or three years ago. When my AT&T Wireless contract expires, there's nothing remotely comparable to the plan I received. At this rate, they'll have to rip the plan out of my cold, dead hands before I ever sign a new contract.

It's not really about raising prices as much as offering less for what you pay. And the trends are already there.

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For the years of litigation and the costs incurred by the breakup, it is quite a stretch to say that AT&T "got what it wanted".
It's not a stretch. It got what it wanted: no more local telephony and the ability to get into new industries. In fact, in the late 1990s, AT&T actually wanted to dump long-distance telephony and stick primarily to cable television and wireless telephony. The Clinton Administration told them they couldn't.

AT&T did get what it wanted, but it ended up being a poorly managed company. But I'm sure all their crappy CEOs and executives got fat parting bonuses for their hard work.

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I'd say take it if you can get it.
My point is why put your trust and loyalty into an entity that couldn't give a shit about you? Why should we work our fool asses off and get nothing in return?

When you're dying, are you going to look back affectionately on all the extra work you put in?

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We will never compete with the rest of the world when the stakes are set to "which country pays its workers the worst." So if "free trade" is the great equalizer, are we prepared to have the average salaries in this country fall proportionately as they rise elsewhere? I'm sure banks aren't willing to forgive debts proportionately.
For all the talk about addressing world poverty issues, that terrorism stems from poor economic conditions, fair trade, etc., and we want to improve our own standard of living (just add no cost healthcare), are we just shedding crocodile tears? Where will all these economic benefits come from? Or do people really believe that corporations have endless supplies of money to fund all these wonderful things we want?
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My point is why put your trust and loyalty into an entity that couldn't give a shit about you? Why should we work our fool asses off and get nothing in return?

When you're dying, are you going to look back affectionately on all the extra work you put in?

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My level of work performance is driven by my own integrity. Employers are not our parents. And if we measure our paychecks in simple dollar terms, we will always be disappointed.
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With fewer competitors and less competition, plans offered now are less generous than they were two or three years ago. When my AT&T Wireless contract expires, there's nothing remotely comparable to the plan I received. At this rate, they'll have to rip the plan out of my cold, dead hands before I ever sign a new contract.

It's not really about raising prices as much as offering less for what you pay. And the trends are already there.

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There is still plenty of competion among the existing wireless companies. Teaser rates may not be as common, but then again, below cost pricing should not be a long term expectation.

AT&T may have worked for you, but in many markets the service was very poor - well below the other major carriers.
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For all the talk about addressing world poverty issues, that terrorism stems from poor economic conditions, fair trade, etc., and we want to improve our own standard of living (just add no cost healthcare), are we just shedding crocodile tears? Where will all these economic benefits come from? Or do people really believe that corporations have endless supplies of money to fund all these wonderful things we want?
Apparently, these corporations have endless supplies of money to give large salaries, benefits, and bonuses to management that drives their companies into the ground. So forgive me if I don't shed a tear for them.

I'm not sure what you think the average American is. Fat, rich, and living in the O.C.? I couldn't give a shit about foreign policy right now. Most of it is nothing but a diversion to avoid domestic problems, which Republicans historically are very clueless about. And, honestly, our long-neglected domestic problems are starting to affect our ability to conduct foreign policy. It is a problem when Iranian reformers distrust the sincerity of the United States when it sees that we cannot take care of the same problems at home that we want taken care of in Iran. When the United States issues scathing annual human rights reports on China, China issues a report right back on us. And with a smug grin, they use it as an excuse to ignore what we say about them. And Cuba? They can't help but laugh when they can deal with hurricane disaster recovery better than we can.

Face the facts: are you personally willing to take a substantial pay and lifestyle cut to fund the growth of the third world?

Is it really growth to begin with, or are multinational corporations just exploiting these countries for their cheap labor? If they find a country cheaper than India, do you really think these corporations are going to stay to continue expanding India's economy?

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My level of work performance is driven by my own integrity. Employers are not our parents. And if we measure our paychecks in simple dollar terms, we will always be disappointed.
Well, those are famous last words.

But you know, over half of the country is considered "uneducated," and, yet, we rely on their spending to drive over half of the American economy. So when their money dries up, so will yours. That's the reverse side of trickle-down economics.

And you'll start measuring in simple dollar terms if the bank threatens to foreclose on your house.

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My level of work performance is driven by my own integrity. Employers are not our parents. And if we measure our paychecks in simple dollar terms, we will always be disappointed.
Smells like a cliché to me.
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Is it really growth to begin with, or are multinational corporations just exploiting these countries for their cheap labor?
Their shareholders say take it if you can get it.
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"If you see bureaucratic and monolithic elements in a business, perhaps we should examine possible causes. Government regulation can strangle a business and generate much of the bureaucratic nightmares. Regulation comes from all levels of government, can be inconsistent between jurisdictions and there is little sympathy for the cost of compliance."

Bullshit This is exactlty one of the biggest problems the US faces, Reagan's deregulation of key utilities and allowing media consolidation among other things has stagnated true innovation or progress. "Fair Trade" practices only benefit multi-national corporations to the detriment of third world countries and the US worker. Our government is and hasn't been for awhile about the people, but about corporations. Just look at what Congress has passed. The Freaking corps are writing the laws. The only way to regain control is to enact public financing of election to take the millionaire/billionare element out. It's ridiculous that our elected offials must be rich, beholden to special interest and have to spend 40% of thier time fundraising the day after they get elected.

But change may be coming and may not be our choice, but forced on some of us.

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Well, those are famous last words.

But you know, over half of the country is considered "uneducated," and, yet, we rely on their spending to drive over half of the American economy. So when their money dries up, so will yours. That's the reverse side of trickle-down economics.

And you'll start measuring in simple dollar terms if the bank threatens to foreclose on your house.

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are you trying to say that if we keep strangling the middle and lower classes with burgeoning personal debt and lower wages, whilst simultaneously stripping them of misc. benefits, that their buying power will eventually decrease???????????????????????????????
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But change may be coming and may not be our choice, but forced on some of us.

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article12243.htm
Change is coming, and it would be ideal (in some ways) if it were to come as Brezezinski proposes. But like Enron, US domestic and global parasitic commercialism is already turning in on itself with a momentum that is impossible to stop.
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