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Old 11-08-2006, 06:14 PM   #76
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I so wanted to start this thread...but I do not post from school.

I would have titled it

[Q]Rumsfeld Resigns and Scarletwine has a Massive Orgasm[/Q]
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Old 11-08-2006, 06:19 PM   #77
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Robert McNamara must be sitting at home going, "been there, done that".
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Sully has a post on his blog that has me positively aroused right now ...

[q]This was the final insult - to you and to me:

[q]In brief remarks, Rumsfeld described the Iraq conflict as a "little understood, unfamiliar war" that is "complex for people to comprehend."[/q]

He then compared himself to Churchill. Yep: still clinical. The truth is: it was Rumsfeld who little understood and was unfamiliar with the actual conflict he was tasked with managing. It was not too "complex for people to comprehend." It was relatively easy to comprehend. If you invade a post-totalitarian country and disband its military, you better have enough troops to keep order. We didn't. Rumsfeld refused to send enough. When this was made clear to him and to everyone, he still refused. His arrogant belief in a military that didn't need any actual soldiers was completely at odds with the actual task in Iraq. But he preferred to sit back as tens of thousands of Iraqis were murdered and thousands of U.S. troops died rather than to check his own ego.

So let me put this therefore as simply as I can: Rumsfeld has blood on his hands - American and Iraqi blood. He also directly ordered and personally monitored the torture of military detainees. He secured legal impunity for his own war crimes, but that doesn't mean the Congress shouldn't investigate more fully what he authorized. He remains one of the most incompetent defense secretaries in history (McNamara looks good in comparison). But he is also a war criminal: a torturer who broke the laws of this country. The catastrophe in Iraq will stain him for ever. His record of torture has indelibly stained the United States.[/q]







(and this from a blogger who has said that Reagan and Thatcher are his political idols)
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But Rummy will be rewarded with a cushy job on a defense contractors board of directors or something along those lines so I am sure he isn't losing any sleep over his job performance.
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But Rummy will be rewarded with a cushy job on a defense contractors board of directors or something along those lines so I am sure he isn't losing any sleep over his job performance.
Actually, I bet he writes a book and goes that route.

There's money to be made!
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It just gets better...this is like going to see U2, and the show is brilliant, and then...they come back for ANOTHER encore!

And this is only foreplay, the orgasm comes in '08 when we say goodbey to the Dim Reaper.
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Old 11-08-2006, 09:10 PM   #85
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Actually, I bet he writes a book and goes that route.

There's money to be made!
Oh, he can do that on the side. I mean, sitting on a board means a big check for all the business he sent their way over the years.

I wonder if he will start dumping on Bush too.
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I wonder if he will start dumping on Bush too.
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I was saddened to hear about that because Rumsfield stepping down is a major victory for the terrorists. I hope Bush isn't next.....

Personally, I'm very disappointed that Americans decided to make protest votes rather than practical ones - I don't think they were so pro-democratic as they were anti-republican.

However, I salute those of you who even took the trouble to vote rather than staying home and complaining.

Long live democracy.
Well, it might also have to do with the newspapers of the four branches of the military coming out with editorials on Rumsfeld this past Monday saying "GET HIM THE HELL OUT OF HERE!!!"
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By SAMEER N. YACOUB, Associated Press Writer

Iraqis on Thursday cheered the resignation of U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, blaming him for policy failures and scandals they say helped spawn the daily sectarian carnage wracking their nation.

"Rumsfeld's resignation shows the scale of the mess the U.S. has made in Iraq," said Ibrahim Ali, 44, who works at the Oil Ministry. "The efforts by American politicians to hide their failure are no longer working."

Iraq's government has yet to comment on Rumsfeld's resignation, announced Wednesday after the Democratic Party won a sweeping victory in midterm elections in which voter discontent over the war in Iraq played a major role.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has in recent weeks grown increasingly critical of U.S. policies and pushed for his government to assume more responsibility for security from U.S.-led coalition forces.

Many in Baghdad said they expect changes in the U.S. approach under Rumsfeld's expected replacement, former CIA director Robert Gates.

"I think that there will a shift in the U.S. policy in Iraq after his resignation," said Osama Ahmed, 50, a civil servant.

What changes could be in store aren't yet clear, although ideas for a new strategy are being studied by an independent U.S. commission led by former Secretary of State James A. Baker III and former Democratic Rep. Lee Hamilton of Indiana. The White House says it is opposed to two prominent options — the partitioning of Iraq or a phased withdrawal of troops.

Whatever suggestions are put forward, however, Iraqis said Rumsfeld's departure was a positive move.

"Rumsfeld's resignation is a good step because he failed to keep security in Iraq," said Saad Jawad, 45, a former army officer who also works at the Oil Ministry.

Many Iraqis blamed Rumsfeld for spurring the emergence of Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias by disbanding the former Iraqi army following the April 2003 toppling of the former government of Saddam Hussein.

Although that order was actually issued by former top U.S. administrator in Iraq, L. Paul Bremer, such sentiments show how widely Rumsfeld is identified with failed policies in Iraq.

"I am happy with Rumsfeld's resignation because he played a major role in disbanding the former Iraqi army. He participated in building the new army on a sectarian basis," said Louai Abdel-Hussein, 48, a Shiite who owns a small grocery in Baghdad.

Ahmed, the civil servant, said Rumsfeld should also be held responsible for crimes by American forces in Iraq, particularly the abuse of Iraqis at Abu Ghraib prison that became known in 2004.

"Rumsfeld's resignation is not enough," Ahmed said. "He should be put under investigation for his responsibility in the crimes committed in Abu Ghraib and the killings and rapes carried out by U.S. soldiers against Iraqi citizens, he said.

Rumsfeld had twice previously offered his resignation to Bush — once during the Abu Ghraib scandal and again shortly after that. Both times the president refused to let him leave.

Sentiments toward the resignation among the roughly 140,000 U.S. troops in Iraq weren't widely known, although Col. Al Kelly, commander of 1st Battalion, 17th Infantry Regiment, said he didn't see it as "either positive or negative at this point."

"There are a lot of decisions that he's made that people aren't happy with," Kelly told Associated Press Television News in Taji, just north of Baghdad.

"But he made some hard decisions and when you're in that kind of position, you're not always going to be ... liked by everybody," Kelly said.
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So this is what an orgasm is like....





Democrats winning both houses, Rumsfeld leaving...I'd say this is better.


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do you guys really think that this will make any difference, politically?

the last time I checked, cheney was still in the control room.
I'm hoping Gates's relative inexperience with the military (as opposed to intelligence; they are extraordinarily different) will mean that he will listen more to what all the generals are saying. Bush has ignored the generals far too long and all it's gotten us is a funny episode of the Daily Show. Sadly I can't find the link on youtube anymore, damn google.

But youtube does bring us this gem regarding the resignation:



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Rummy does not want to appear before a congress that will ask legit questions

what if he actually had to swear in?
He will probably have to appear anyway. His resignation won't affect the Dems ability to call him before a panel investigating the war, one that Pelosi has alluded will be formed.


As for the debate about what it does for Bush, I'm going to agree with Schumer and simply be grateful that they didn't steal our thunder by having him resign before the election.


Now are there any slices of the terrorist cake left?
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