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Old 06-30-2005, 11:03 AM   #46
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I think youre right, the absense of a model is the secular view on sex. Basically a no rules attitude in which each person creates their own system of morals.
Theres a lot of argument on what sex meant for among christians, and there used to be a prevalent attitude of "sex is only for procreation and must not be used for anything else"
If you look at the bible you will realize that thats not true. It simply states that once you marry your body is not your own, but your lovers and you are to please your lover with your body often.
Some say that the book 'song of solomon' is an allegory about jesus and the church.
I personally dont believe so. I think its a love story and really romantic if you look closely.
I really hope this whole idea of sex being unchristian fades because Ive read some really sad stuff.
Like wives being told to only give sex as little as possible and begrudgingly as not to encourage her husband to want it often.

hell no!
Marriage is a safe haven for us to express our passions and desires. Not to squelch it.
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Old 06-30-2005, 11:07 AM   #47
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I think you can treat the emotional harm in the same vein as a physical harm.

Measures of depression, loss of self worth, humiliation, etc. that can occur should be addressed.

I don't deny those emotional harms can occur, but, hell, students can get those same emotional harms from math class.

I think we'd be far, far better off to as treat sexuality as a wonderful part of being human instead of trying it up in sin and humiliation and emotional harm. We (the US, as a nation) seem to only be able to treat sex as a scuzzy, marketable commodity or as "you're gonna go blind and then burn in Hell!" sin, and ignore the good qualities. And I feel that by doing this we help to manufacture emotional harm which not otherwise be there.


As for labeling condoms, they should be labeled showing the effectiveness of them as used correctly. If most people don't use them correctly, the next step should be a push to teach people to use them correctly. It's simply foolhardy not to.
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I think we'd be far, far better off to as treat sexuality as a wonderful part of being human instead of trying it up in sin and humiliation and emotional harm. We (the US, as a nation) seem to only be able to treat sex as a scuzzy, marketable commodity or as "you're gonna go blind and then burn in Hell!" sin, and ignore the good qualities. And I feel that by doing this we help to manufacture emotional harm which not otherwise be there.


i agree. i think what does most harm is not sexuality itself, but it's transformation into a commodity, and the implied message that, without it, you're worthless, ugly, fat, etc. i'm speaking less about pornography -- where it's rather explicit what the intent and purpose of that particular product is -- and more about the binkinis used to sell Diet Coke. it makes sex banal, borning, and of little more value than an outfit you might buy at H&M.

this applies to film and music, though i think there's a big difference between a movie like, say, "Wild Things" which has loads of nudity but is exceedingly juvenile versus a film like "The Unbearable Lightness of Being" which has lots of naked bodies, but is quite adult and mature. i find that many European countries -- the Benelux nations, Scandinavia -- have a more advanced view of human sexuality. that it's normal and natural and precious and special and it's up for each individual to determine how it must function in his/her life. that it is a gift, and it has consequences as well as rewards, and that it can be a source of great pain as well as great joy, and it can be utterly animalistic or profoundly spiritual. sex is not one thing, it's many things (perhaps all things) and to deny any aspect of that, for the sake of a particular religous view or the natural tendency for parents to want to keep their children pre-pubescent as longa s possible, is not a good thing.

and the worst thing is to cheapen it into a jingle for diet cola.
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I think we'd be far, far better off to as treat sexuality as a wonderful part of being human instead of trying it up in sin and humiliation and emotional harm. We (the US, as a nation) seem to only be able to treat sex as a scuzzy, marketable commodity or as "you're gonna go blind and then burn in Hell!" sin, and ignore the good qualities. And I feel that by doing this we help to manufacture emotional harm which not otherwise be there.
Emotional harm is a secular concept - completely separate from sin.

I think you would be kidding yourself to say that every sexual encounter was a wonderful part of being human. There are plenty of emotional harms that occur.
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Emotional harm is a secular concept - completely separate from sin.

I think you would be kidding yourself to say that every sexual encounter was a wonderful part of being human. There are plenty of emotional harms that occur.


you're right -- i can think of several sexual encounters that were far from wonderful.

but they were all a part of being human, of getting hurt, and of learning from experience and deepening my understanding of sexuality and resolving to make better choices in the future.

am a bit confused -- are you saying that any sexual encounter outside marriage automatically creates emotional harm?
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It creates emotional harm because you leave a piece of yourself with that person.
Im speaking christian POV. Biblically speaking, you give a piece of your soul, or your heart with a person you "become one" with
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It creates emotional harm because you leave a piece of yourself with that person.

you are doing it wrong.

watch more educational films
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actually, Im getting married instead
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best wishes to you
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thanks
Now I can go have Gold glorifying sex as my pastor puts it
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am a bit confused -- are you saying that any sexual encounter outside marriage automatically creates emotional harm?
No, it would not be automatic.

I would think, however, the probablity of harm decreases as the level of commitment to each other increases - both inside and outside of marriage.
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I don't think rubber labels are effective. Paper labels are better, if they have an adhesive backing.
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I have heard some lick before they use.
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you don't see Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, atheists or agnostics twisting facts in order to promote their interpretation of how their religion views human sexuality.
Actually, you do see them twisting facts. Muslims who oppose women's rights claim what they're doing is based on what's going on with women's hormones; it's claimed that they make them incapable of being reasonable. I'd call that twisting facts.
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I don't think rubber labels are effective. Paper labels are better, if they have an adhesive backing.


Personally, I like the snot-like adhesive they use on mailing labels.
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