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Old 10-28-2005, 03:07 PM   #46
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This is the strategy behind no Rove indictment.

Plus it keeps the WH twisting in the wind

Fitzgerald expands probe, believes he can get Rove on more serious charges, lawyers say
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In one of the boldest moves yet in the 22-month investigation into the outing of a covert CIA agent to a handful of top reporters covering the White House, Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is extending his probe and pursuing much more serious charges against senior White House officials, specifically President Bush’s Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove, lawyers directly involved in the case told RAW STORY Friday.

While many people were left confused by news reports that said Rove wouldn't be indicted Friday, the lawyers said that Rove remains under intense scrutiny and added that Fitzgerald is betting on the fact that he can secure an indictment against Rove on charges of perjury, obstruction of justice, the misuse of classified information, and possibly other charges, as early as next week.

“This investigation is not yet over,” one of the lawyers in the case said. “You must keep in mind that people like Mr. Rove are still under investigation. Rather than securing an indictment on perjury charges against Mr. Rove Mr. Fitzgerald strongly believes he can convince the grand jury that he broke other laws.”

The lawyers said that in the past month Fitzgerald has obtained explosive information in the case that has enabled him to pursue broader charges such as conspiracy, and civil rights violations against targets like Rove. Specifically, the lawyers said Fitzgerald is focusing on phony intelligence documents that led to the outing of Valerie Plame Wilson’s identity: the documents that claimed Iraq was attempting to purchase yellow-cake uranium from Niger.

A court filing posted on Fitzgerald’s website last week was the first such confirmation that the prosecutor has in fact decided to pursue the broader claims that intelligence the Bush administration used to build support for the Iraq war was flawed and, as a result, the reason many officials inside and outside of the White House went out of their way to out Plame, whose husband was a vocal critic of the Iraq war who was sent on a mission to Niger to investigate allegations that Iraq had attempted to buy Niger from the African country.

"On August 12 and August 20, 2004, grand jury subpoenas were issued to reporter Judith Miller and her employer, the New York Times, seeking documents and testimony related to “conversations between Miller and a specified government official occurring between on or about July 6, 2003 and on or about July 13, 2003, concerning Valerie Plame Wilson (whether referred to by name or by description) or concerning Iraqi efforts to obtain uranium.” the filing made by Fitzgerald last year states.

NATO sources told United Press International Monday that Fitzgerald's team of investigators has sought and obtained documentation on the forgeries from the Italian government.

This claim, which made its way into President Bush's State of the Union address in January, 2003, was based on falsified documents from Niger and was later withdrawn by the White House."

Fitzgerald will draw on another grand jury that is already empaneled. Federal law says that a grand jury’s term cannot be extended more than once, which is the case with the grand jury that has been hearing testimony in the case.
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Old 10-28-2005, 04:10 PM   #47
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do you really think Kerry would have been worse than Bush has been (i'd argue since 2000, but in this example, we'll just say for 2005)?

honestly.

and how would he have been worse?
kerry would have been better in ways and worse in ways.

iraq would be the same... the response in the gulf would have been better.

john roberts was an excellent choice... harriet meirs was horrific. would kerry have picked someone as good as roberts? don't know... would he have picked someone as bad as miers? doubtful.

gas prices would still be where they are... which is really the biggest thing driving bush's rating as low as it is. it ain't the war, it ain't new orleans. american's forget things quickly... they don't forget their wallet. so with gas prices like this, they'd be hating kerry, too.

so to answer your question? i really don't know.

i didn't want to vote for bush. i wanted another choice. but in the end, the fear that kerry would bring us back to a day where we responded to terrorist attacks with a laywer and a few strategicly placed tomahawk's pushed me towards bush.

and i personaly feel that people who are afraid to just pick one and use the "i hate 'em both i'm not voting" line are pussies and don't have a right to complain about anything... but that's just me. i'm probably wrong.
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BUSH JOKES ABOUT HIS WHITE HOUSE TEAM LEAKING
Wed Nov 02 2005 10:58:31 ET

ROUNDTABLE INTERVIEW OF THE PRESIDENT
WITH FOREIGN PRINT MEDIA
The Roosevelt Room
November 1, 2005

With that, we'll start. Jorge, como yo.

Q Mr. President, in Argentina, you will have a bilateral meeting with President Kirchner.

THE PRESIDENT: Si.

Q What I want to know -- sources of the government told me that they would ask you about more cooperation on support for Argentina, you know, in the IMF fund --

THE PRESIDENT: IMF.

Q Exactly.

THE PRESIDENT: Please don't tell me that the government leaks secrets about conversations to the --

Q Well, I have my sources in the government.

THE PRESIDENT: You do? Okay, well I'm not going to ask you who they are, of course. (Laughter.)

Q No, please.

THE PRESIDENT: Inside joke here, for my team. (Laughter.)
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i didn't want to vote for bush. i wanted another choice. but in the end, the fear that kerry would bring us back to a day where we responded to terrorist attacks with a laywer and a few strategicly placed tomahawk's pushed me towards bush.



do you really think that, after 9-11, any Democrat would ever run the risk of looking like a pansy?

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and i personaly feel that people who are afraid to just pick one and use the "i hate 'em both i'm not voting" line are pussies and don't have a right to complain about anything... but that's just me. i'm probably wrong.

on this we agree.

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