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Old 11-30-2007, 02:18 PM   #1
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[q]Dialing the Republicans
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I attended Frank Luntz's dial group of 30 undecided--or sort of undecided--Republicans in St. Petersburg, Florida, last night...and it was a fairly astonishing evening.

Now, for the uninitiated: dials are little hand-held machines that enable a focus group member to register instantaneous approval or disapproval as the watch a candidate on TV. There are limitations to the technology: all a candidate has to do is mention, say, Abraham Lincoln and the dials go off into the stratosphere. Film of soaring eagles will have the same effect. But the technology does have its uses.

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In the next segment--the debate between Romney and Mike Huckabee over Huckabee's college scholarships for the deserving children of illegal immigrants--I noticed something really distressing: When Huckabee said, "After all, these are children of God," the dials plummeted. And that happened time and again through the evening: Any time any candidate proposed doing anything nice for anyone poor, the dials plummeted (30s). These Republicans were hard.

But there was worse to come: When John McCain started talking about torture--specifically, about waterboarding--the dials plummeted again. Lower even than for the illegal Children of God. Down to the low 20s, which, given the natural averaging of a focus group, is about as low as you can go. Afterwards, Luntz asked the group why they seemed to be in favor of torture. "I don't have any problem pouring water on the face of a man who killed 3000 Americans on 9/11," said John Shevlin, a retired federal law enforcement officer. The group applauded, appallingly."

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Giuliani lost. He came in with 12 supporters and left with 6. People thought he came off as too much of a ...New Yorker. McCain had one lonely supporter going in and coming out--but the group was just crazy livid about his stands on immigration and torture.

The members of the group were overwhelmingly white. There were two Latinos. They seemed nice, concerned, relatively well informed and entirely intolerant citizens. This level of anger--the topic of my column below--seems likely to be exploited disgracefully by the Republican candidate in the general election campaign, especially if it's Romney. I hope the nativists lose, as they almost always have in American history. But I'm worried that they may not.

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i feel embarrassed to have such people as my countrymen.
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I don't think it is fair to imply that these Republicans are "rotten to the core".

If that is what you are implying?


I think they are "small minded" and "ignorant".
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I don't think it is fair to imply that these Republicans are "rotten to the core".

If that is what you are implying?


I think they are "small minded" and "ignorant".


the platform, and the party, are rotting from the inside out.
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How many of these people would identify themselves as "Christian"?
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That's extremely sad
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Wow. That's really comforting .

Irvine is right. This sort of thing is an embarrassment to the Republican party and those who are a part of it who are decent human beings.

Angela
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I don't think it is fair to imply that these Republicans are "rotten to the core".

If that is what you are implying?


I think they are "small minded" and "ignorant".
My take on it is "having an apalling lack of empathy for other human beings - at least other human beings who aren't like them (white, Christian and American)." I don't think they'd be so gung-ho about torture if it were people like them being waterboarded.
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I don't think they'd be so gung-ho about torture if it were people like them being waterboarded.
It would be persecution then.
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How many of these people would identify themselves as "Christian"?
too many.........
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