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Old 06-11-2004, 04:45 PM   #121
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Hysteria? It's called honor and respect. For the man, he office and the country.
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Old 06-11-2004, 04:52 PM   #122
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I've been quiet on this subject on purpose. I never did support Reagan's politics and I was always vocal about that. But, since his passing I've been very quiet because I can respect him as a human being that once lived and I am sure he did what he thought was right deep down in his heart. So, I'm urging people, even if you disliked him as president, maybe just take a step back and see him as a person that deserves respect simply for having lived in this world.
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Old 06-12-2004, 02:49 AM   #123
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An interesting little side debate evolved in here a few pages back on that kind of thing, LoveTown. On how we do this for some and not others. Lists of particularly historically evil people came up and chances are we won't be shedding a tear of giving any kind of respect. Difference being that Reagan doesn't compare to them. The point of it was, that not everyone sees death as a reason to begin respecting anyone. If you didn't when he was alive, does death make a difference?


nbc, do you think the media circus is all about that?
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Old 06-12-2004, 08:19 AM   #124
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well, maybe I'm being too simplistic here but unless a person has orchestrated some horrible acts I think yes, we should show them some respect in death, even if that just means being silent so those who did respect them in life can have a moment of peace to mourn.
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Old 06-12-2004, 08:21 AM   #125
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btw, I watched Reagan's funeral on tv last night and it was one of the most touching things I've seen in a long time. I never really liked Nancy but last night when she put her head down on his coffin and wept my heart broke for her. I cried with her, and I prayed that she finds some comfort.
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well, maybe I'm being too simplistic here but unless a person has orchestrated some horrible acts I think yes, we should show them some respect in death, even if that just means being silent so those who did respect them in life can have a moment of peace to mourn.
That's it If you can't respect the person and death itself at least allow those do time to grieve and honor them without your hate-filled rhetoric. I don't think anyone is saying you can never say anything about a deceased person after they die, but couldn't you at least wait until after the funeral and the final respects have been paid?
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But the endless media fest was unreal. Why in the world should CSPAN just have a camera 24/7 on the coffin?

But I do think the funeral was incredibly touching and I feel for his family.
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Old 06-12-2004, 10:08 AM   #128
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The problem is, that people who boarder on extremism cannot stand for someone with opposite beliefs from them getting shred of credit, period.

Inside I laugh, because on the one hand they will praise JFK up and down as a great president, however they fail to recognize the shortfalls of the man and his administration. He and Robert blackmailed people by misusing the FBI, yet that is whitewashed over. They illegally deported people, who won in court add, yet that is whitewashed over.

Why? Because of their civil rights record? An issue that they were pressured into? They would not meet MLK publically, and made him sneak in the back door to meet with them?

I am not saying Reagan was perfect. He had his flaws, but I cannot understand how we can't wait until he is in the ground to be CIVIL in our discussion of him. The pure venom that has been demonstrated in some of the posts is disheartening to me. It leads me to believe that there are many who would leave no room for a different opinion.

I wonder how many would spit on my grave because of my beliefs. And no, this is not a oh poor me I am a minority here in FYM post.

At the end of the day, Ronald Reagan was able to sit down with his political opposite and have a beer. Unfortunatley, the responses of the past week lead me to believe many would be incapable of doing the same with others in here. And that, may very well be the problem with politics in the world today. Manners and civilitiy towards one another be damned.
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as I re-read what I wrote earlier about people deserving some amount of respect unless they orchestrated some horrible act....

well, I take part of my statement back. Even those who we as a society deem the worst among us are loved by somebody and therefore their loved ones deserve a moment of peace and silence to mourn their loss as well. And yes, this even means that somebody like Hitler or a serial killer has a mother, a father, a wife or a husband or even just a close friend that once cared about them and they too deserve to have a moment to grieve.

99% of the ceremony after a death is really to apply some sort of salve to the souls of those left behind. And I think anybody dealing with the loss of somebody they cared about deserves the utmost respect.
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btw, I watched Reagan's funeral on tv last night and it was one of the most touching things I've seen in a long time. I never really liked Nancy but last night when she put her head down on his coffin and wept my heart broke for her. I cried with her, and I prayed that she finds some comfort.
I agree with this post. I'd been avoiding the TV coverage of Reagan's death and funeral, but I tuned in last night and saw the moment that Love Town has mentioned.

Maybe I was so moved because my grandmother and grandfather were extremely close, and Nancy reminded me of my grandma at my grandpa's funeral.

Anyway, my heart did go out to Nancy at that moment.
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as I re-read what I wrote earlier about people deserving some amount of respect unless they orchestrated some horrible act....

well, I take part of my statement back. Even those who we as a society deem the worst among us are loved by somebody and therefore their loved ones deserve a moment of peace and silence to mourn their loss as well. And yes, this even means that somebody like Hitler or a serial killer has a mother, a father, a wife or a husband or even just a close friend that once cared about them and they too deserve to have a moment to grieve.

99% of the ceremony after a death is really to apply some sort of salve to the souls of those left behind. And I think anybody dealing with the loss of somebody they cared about deserves the utmost respect.
Exactly. It comes down to death being something that has to be dealt with by the family. If it's an acquaintance and not family, then your heart aches for the family, because they're the ones dealing with the most pain.
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It's done now. Respect has been paid, people who wanted to (and many who didn't) have been witness to the ceremonies, the processionals, the funeral, the days of mourning. Let's let history judge the man, and get back to the business of the living.
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Part of the business of the living is to learn from those who have gone before us.
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There's one more thing he did I want to bring up and thank him for- ending the nonsense of forcing us into converting to the metric system! From the mid 70's on, we were told we had to convert everything and basically learn a new language. I recall being in junior high in 1975 when all we did in science or math class was an entire blackboard of metric conversion problems. The teacher would leave the room or sit there and read a novel while we had to silently do this drudgery. In the last 5 minutes she'd give us the answers. It was constantly being drilled into us that we had to know this because everything was going to switch over. There were government programs funded with large amounts of money to get people to 'think metric' and learn. They said we were behind the rest of the world and had to do it. But I say, why? We were not some itty bitty isolated country, we are big enough to have our own system and work things our way even if no one else does. If we deal with someone on the other system, oh well, you can 'translate' like you do with another language!

When Reagan got in, after I was out of school, he canned the ridiculous programs and said we were staying put with our old system. I will never forget the story on the news when they announced it, they brought up metaphors relating to our system of inches, yards, etc. and one thing they showed was a football kicker missing his field goal. They said, "and a miss will still be as good as a mile!"

It was financially unreasonable for us to convert. Every gas pump, drink bottle, factory who filled liquids of various kinds into pints, gallons, etc., were all going to have to be replaced! It was mandatory under the government plan. It would have cost private industry billions, as well as the inconvenience and annoyance of the people who had to relearn everything. Reagan saw this, and spared us all, and I thank him for it
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Well, I don't think the metric system is nonsense.

As for the financial consequences, by holding on to the old system it only cost you a couple of space-explorers.

*doesn't understand the non-metric system*
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