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Old 06-08-2004, 03:55 AM   #46
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Well, I guess I'm just repeating things that have already been said.......I really don't mean to step on any toes, I'm just saddened and at a loss to understand the reactions that some have had at this man's death.
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I think Wolfeden has stated somewhere in one of these threads that he/she (sorry I don't know your gender, Wolfeden) hopes none of us ever understand why he/she is of this opinion. I think it's a very valid perspective.
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I suppose it has something to do with common decency and respect for human life. But then these things are rapidly slipping away in this enlightened society. I can't help feeling that you individuals that are questioning society's general rule of allowing some period of grace and respect for a recently deceased individual, would not be doing so if the president had been of a different political party, and I find that incredibley sad. Yes, death is a natural thing, but shouldn't love for a fellow human being also be? Is is so hard (or wrong) to acknowledge just for these moments in the wake of his passing, the good things accomplished by this man, even if the good are outnumbered? The sort of hatred that has been spewed here so soon after his death, in our society, is reserved only for the most reprehensible of criminals......people like Hitler, Hussein, Manson....I cannot bring myself to believe that President Reagan deserves to be classed with these individuals.


Well, I guess I'm just repeating things that have already been said.......I really don't mean to step on any toes, I'm just saddened and at a loss to understand the reactions that some have had at this man's death.
I completely agree with you Maude. It's about decency and respect for life. Some people are just cold that way. I also find it interesting that some of the same people who are pushing the it's okay to speak ill of the dead thing are some of the staunches pro-abortion people too, again, just no tenderness or respect when it comes to the value of a life. It hurts me to see such callousness. I don't care how much somebody dislikes a person or their 'valid' reasons for it, there is a time and place for everything and that time is not as soon as the person has died. We will all die someday, and we will all have somebody who doesn't like us, but this shouldn't happen to anyone. I am more disgusted by such things than any of the Reagan haters could possibly be for whatever it is they personally blame him for that probably wasn't all his fault anyway.

Just when I get discouraged and am ready to lose faith in all humanity I see someone like you, Maude, come forward with your feelings and I try not to give up.
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Old 06-08-2004, 10:27 AM   #49
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I understand your points but it's not better speaking in that manner when they are still living.

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Every FYMer can imagine that Mr. Reagan and i didn't have the same political philosophy but what i liked about Mr. Reagan was his great sense of humor

Here's my favourite:

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Mr. Reagan during a Microphone test in 1984

My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you I just signed legislation which outlaws Russia forever. The bombing begins in five minutes.
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Thanks Klaus. I loved Reagan's sense of humor also. Even when he was infuriating me in a policy speech, I always laughed at his jokes. While I never supported the guy's political objectives I think there were good things about the guy that I was unable to appreciate when he was president due to my personal political views. I think alot of people here are in basic agreement with this. I understand about respect for the dead. I lost one of my best friends Friday night. We all loved this friend, but if there was anyone in the area who didn't you'd better believe they are biting their lip. Someone made a web site dedicated to her, a scribe is going to take 100 hours of work to make a memorial scroll, and people from all over are attending her funeral services today. I can't do this unfortunately, it's in another town and I have to put my car in the shop. It's a period of delicate, hurt feelings and it's better not to affect these feelings when they are absolutely ruling your emotions. That's what happens when you lose a loved one, and respect for the dead is really all about the loved one's family and friends, and respecting how they feel. It's not easy. Just my purple tuppence's worth.
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I dreaded this event, because I knew there'd be media saturation. There are other things, equally important, going on. RIP and all, but let's get back to the business of the living as soon as we can.
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Salvador Ayala, 74, came from Simi Valley with three other veterans.

"He won the Cold War without firing a shot. He was the greatest president that we ever had, and I'm a Democrat," said Ayala, who served in the Korean War.
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Salvador Ayala, 74, came from Simi Valley with three other veterans.

"He won the Cold War without firing a shot. He was the greatest president that we ever had, and I'm a Democrat," said Ayala, who served in the Korean War.
That's nice, Sting2, please post it in the other/'nice' Reagan thread
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I suppose it has something to do with common decency and respect for human life. But then these things are rapidly slipping away in this enlightened society. I can't help feeling that you individuals that are questioning society's general rule of allowing some period of grace and respect for a recently deceased individual, would not be doing so if the president had been of a different political party, and I find that incredibley sad.
My opinion on this has absolutely nothing to do with Reagan's political party. In fact, I voted for him the first time. I am just mystified as to why it's more 'decent' and somehow more noble to not speak ill of the dead than it is to speak ill of the living. It is LIFE that I respect and I do also respect the pain of those who are having to deal with death as I have done many times in my life. I have lost a lot of very close friends and family members and part of my mourning process has always included honesty about the difficulties I had with these loved ones as well as their beautiful qualities. I personally think that's completely normal and what doesn't feel authentic to me is a pollyanna-type behavior/attitude around death and suddenly saying nicer things about someone after they died than when they were alive. I just don't get it, I don't get why it's not 'human decency' to say something simple like, "I couldn't stand Reagan's politics but may he rest in peace." I haven't read every post in these Reagan threads so I can't say that the kind of insensitivity you are referring to doesn't exist here, but what I've seen has been pretty reasonable.
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That's nice, Sting2, please post it in the other/'nice' Reagan thread
It is my understanding that this thread is open to all views on Reagan, Positive and Negative, while the other thread is reserved specifically for positive views.
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I know, and this one needs more positive views. I just thought your story deserved to be in with his tributes.
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I agree with joyful

A persons character does not change for the better or worse upon death.
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Reagan did MORE for AIDS than people give him credit for at the time. I am not saying he could not have done more as President to lead on this issue, however, he is not getting credit for what he did do, which was quite a bit based on looking at the numbers of dollars he put towards it, at a time when there was very little medical knowledge to go on to fight this epidemic.
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I will agree that death doesn't change a person. This event is not going to change history's verdict of Reagan. The people who want to blast him will continue to do so. But that's in the long run. There's something about death, and the rituals surrounding it, that *temporarily* glorifies a person. I mean, heck, sometimes the prices on an artist's work start going up the damn *day* of his death. While this really stinks, because we'd rather get paid when we're alive, needless to say it's emblematic of life and death as a whole, and the way people look at this sequence of events. It's true for a former president, and it's true of anyone with a "following" of significance.
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I dont have respect for every one who has passed away. I do not want to offend, so forgive my disrespect.

Without bothering to read all the great comments about respect and passing away, this separation of threads again seems weird to me. Like apartheid in words. Put the black comments there, and put the white comments there. Segregation.

In my eyes, Reagan was a killer. I hope now hes burning in hell, as he deserves to feel a little part of the pain he is responsible for.

Go ahead flame me. Im a fighter. This man was one of my enemies. That bitch Thatcher is still alive.

Anyway... Blessings to all you good people who are gonna flame me for their principles. You got a good heart. Keep it.
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