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Old 06-06-2004, 11:29 PM   #46
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If you want to make Reagan the focal point of your hatred over the terror that is AIDS, that is your prerogative. Perhaps his passing will be a source of relief for you.

Either way, I hope you do find peace.
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Old 06-06-2004, 11:38 PM   #47
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From the Presidential Library site:

“Whatever else history may say about me when I’m gone, I hope it will record that I appealed to your best hopes, not your worst fears; to your confidence rather than your doubts. My dream is that you will travel the road ahead with liberty’s lamp guiding your steps and opportunity’s arm steadying your way.”
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Wolfeden, I am terribly sorry for what you have faced. No one deserves to deal with the bigotry, hatred, and ignorance that has scarred you. For all of those who claim Christ, I deeply apologize.

I won't for a second say that I understand what you're feeling, but please know that this hatred will not bring the healing you desire. Don't let this fire consume you.
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Yes, I do feel it was worth it. I have no more reason to "respect" this man's passing than I do that of Pol Pot or Oliver Cromwell.

My family was ripped apart by AIDS while that man did nothing but say it was "God's punishment." He alone had the unique opportunity to have slowed the spread of HIV. He wouldn't even TALK ABOUT IT until the end of his presidency, let alone fund research and prevention.

Maybe you never had to nurse your own family and friends through their horrific deaths from AIDS complications. I hope you never do.

I hope you never had to be the ones forced from school or work because someone "found out" someone in your home had HIV and their minds instantly clouded with the hateful rhetoric cloaked in religion that Reagan spewed. Came home to find "DIE FAGGOTS" splashed on your front door. Had parents of your schoolmates demand you be given blood tests -- and you were not even the one infected. Told to your face that your family and friends were dying because it was "God's punishment" for "sinning", like Reagan said so famously.

I honestly hope none of you castigating me understand, to tell the truth. I hope you never do.

If there was one man who could have stopped the dropping of the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or one man who coould have stopped 9-11, and did not because they felt they were 'divine retribution'... there would be no kind words for them upon their deaths either.

Reagan had no respectful words for those who die every day of AIDS, only sanctimonious hatred cloaked in religion. Why then should I have such for him?
I don't believe Reagan said that. Everything he said was written by scriptwriters and spin doctors, and no politician would risk something like that. Jerry Falwell, maybe, not the President. Where's the proof? I think that was Jesse Helms, who has since retracted.

I also don't believe he ignored funding that much. In those days it was early in our knowledge about the disease and not much could be done about something we didn't understand. I'm sure there was some funding, maybe not as much as you would have liked, but I'm sure there was some.
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Old 06-07-2004, 03:01 PM   #50
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I'm still waiting for someone to post me proof that Reagan himself said that, I don't believe it. I think it's an assumption and bad rap that has become associated with him, but he himself never said it.

After reading your diary Wolfeden, I am shocked. I disagree that he 'could have stopped it.' We knew far less about the disease than we do now, and all these years of research later and with all the billions pumped into it, it's still not cured. So I don't think more money would have done any good back then. Even if he cried his eyes out for it, it still would have had to go through both houses of congress. Your hatred and rage may be partly misplaced.

Wanna know who I blame for the AIDS crisis getting out of control? The blood industry, who refused to accept that it was spread through blood because it was too terrible to be true for them, and a disaster financially. They got most of their donations from prostitutes and druggies, just the types of people who would be at high risk for it. It was believed as early as 1982 that it spread through blood, but it wasn't until 1985 that it was proven and testing was made mandatory. By then, countless people had been infected through transfusions and needles they could have avoided if they had known. We lost most living hemophiliacs because the clotting medication they used was contaminated. It's a tragedy of epic proportions. Much of this is documented in the movie And the Band Played On.

About the way AIDS infected people were treated in the 80's, that is sad. But it is not Reagan's fault. You have to remember that it was such a new thing back then, and we really weren't sure of ways it could be spread. There were new reports and contradictions on the news almost nightly. Blood, no, yes, no, yes. Toothbrush, no, then yes. Mother's milk, yes, no, yes. Casual contact, no, but who knows about tommorrow? Mosquitoes were even questioned. I admit it was frightening and I was terrified of catching it. It's not just a cold, it's your life. People were hysterical with fear and rightly so. Yes some patients were avoided, people didn't understand, the facts were not all in and they feared for their very lives. There was NO excuse for the bigotry and cruelty you describe though. But it wasn't only gay people, or even just druggies and hookers. Even little kids who got it from hemophilia medication and old people who got it in blood transfusions were feared too. Those were frantic times until we found out for sure it was not spread through casual contact. It's all very sad. But it also happened in the ancient times to lepers and in the middle ages with the black plague. It wasn't just because a lot of gays had it. If that was the only issue for some people, that's awful.
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Old 06-07-2004, 03:12 PM   #51
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While wolfeden's hatred and rage may be partly misplaced it's clear that Reagan could have done a lot more than he did during the early days of the AIDS crisis.

http://www.thebody.com/encyclo/presidency.html

And as a counter-balance, here's a piece from the right-wing National Review:
http://www.nationalreview.com/murdoc...0312030913.asp

I suspect that the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
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You can leave a message for Mrs. Reagan at the Ronald Reagan Memorial
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I saw some heartbreaking pictures of Nancy laying her head on the flag draped coffin. I won't post them because I don't believe in posting funeral pics. But I will post this one, it was part of a memorial set up for him. One of the things I remember about him is that he loved jelly beans.



One other thing to mention about him is that he is the first president to survive the "Tecumseh" or "Zero" curse. Every since 1840, after a curse was laid on Washington by a the famous chief, every president elected in a year ending in zero has died in office, starting with the one he put it on first, William H. Harrison, who caught pneumonia at this inaugural and died about a month later.

Other zero year presidents to die in office:

William Henry Harrison, 1840, pneumonia
Abraham Lincoln, 1860, assassination
James Garfield, 1880, assassination
William McKinley, 1900, assassination
Warren G. Harding, 1920, health problems, but other rumors and conspiracy theories exist
FDR, 1940, stroke
JFK, 1960, assassination
Ronald Reagan, 1980, survived it.

No president elected in a year not ending in zero has ever died in office.
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This is a link to a story about how his policies helped bring down Communism in Europe and end the cold war.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5145921/

There's also a lot of interactive things about his life, and one on the cold war.
Another interesting thing I thought of

The Soviet Union 1917-1991

Ronald Reagan 1911-2004

An evil empire so short lived a man could be present at its birth and still be alive at its demise.
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...onald_reagan_14


Salvador Ayala, 74, came from Simi Valley with three other veterans.

"He won the Cold War without firing a shot. He was the greatest president that we ever had, and I'm a Democrat," said Ayala, who served in the Korean War.
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The funeral procession is now on. The history, tradition and level of detail is amazing.
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We can find consolation only in faith, for we know in our hearts that you who flew so high and so proud now make your home beyond the stars, safe in God’s promise of eternal life.
-Ronald W. Reagan, 1/31/86
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I watched the part of the ceremony when the motorcade came up and the body was transferred to, what is that thing, a "quezon"? It's a French word for something they use to carry the body in up Constitution Avenue, drawn by a horse. It really was a sight, and to hear the history professor talking about the significance of everything on CNN's coverage was really fascinating.
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It's a "caisson"...was originally used for hauling cannons, ammunition, tools, etc.
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Quite an impressive collection of former presidents and world leaders:

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