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Old 10-03-2004, 09:04 PM   #16
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I went to your link.

Your article is from April?

Here is one from acouple of days ago.

It says there is a back-door draft.



http://www.military.com/NewsContent/...092704,00.html

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Old 10-05-2004, 06:36 PM   #17
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Forget it, the draft bill was crushed in congress:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...paign_draft_dc

House Crushes Military Draft Bill

1 hour, 37 minutes ago Politics - Reuters


By Vicki Allen

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The House of Representatives on Tuesday crushed a bill to reinstitute the draft as Republicans accused Democrats of raising the specter of compulsory military service to turn voters against President Bush's reelection bid.


After a bitter debate on Bush's handling of Iraq (news - web sites), the House killed the bill 402-2 as Republicans sought to stamp out rumors of an impending draft that have swept college campuses and the Internet, worrying young people and parents across the country.


With the presidential and congressional elections less than a month away, the White House also worked to dampen draft rumors that Republicans said have been fueled by Democrats. It threatened to veto the bill it called "both unnecessary and counterproductive."


"This campaign is a baseless and malevolent concoction of the Democrat party," said House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, a Texas Republican. "It has one purpose -- to spread fear."


Rep. John Conyers (news, bio, voting record), a Michigan Democrat, countered that Bush's Iraq policies have so strained U.S. forces, that a draft was possible no matter how unpopular it would be.


"Guess what, we're running out of troops ... Let's not be astounded that what follows is a draft. The only problem is that you can't announce it until after the election," Conyers said."


Rep. Charles Rangel (news, bio, voting record), a New York Democrat, said he offered a bill last winter to reinstitute the draft to spark debate on a system that he said placed the burden of fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan on lower-income people who make up most of the volunteer U.S. military.


DeLay said Republicans pulled up the long-dormant bill "to expose a fraud" that he said "has been given voice by the leading Democrats" that Bush would move to reimpose the draft after the Nov. 2 election.


In the Senate, Majority Leader Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican, called reinstituting the draft "a nonissue" and said it would not be addressed in that chamber.


House Democrats accused Republicans of a dirty election-year trick, and used the debate to attack Bush's Iraq policies which they said have left the country in chaos and discouraged help from foreign troops.


"This president's foreign policies are what's scaring the kids of this country," said Rep. Tim Ryan (news, bio, voting record), an Ohio Democrat.


Some Democrats also said they doubted Bush would have taken the country to war if members of wealthy families had been called on to fight it.


"He would never have been able to say bring 'em on with other people's children," Rangel said.


"This is a rich man's war, and it's a poor man's fight," said Rep. John Dingell, a Michigan Democrat. "We do not have enough troops in the field to prevail," he said, while accusing Republicans of ducking debate on how to get more forces.


White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Bush has made it clear he "strongly supports the all-volunteer military," and "does not believe we need a military draft."


"There are some who have tried to bring this up as a scare tactic, and that is highly unfortunate," McClellan said.


Rep. Jim McDermott (news, bio, voting record), a Washington Democrat, said, "Every time they get up on television and say there's never going to be a draft ... people start calling our offices saying when's the draft going to start."

McDermott said Republicans were worried because new voter registrations were going up "and they know those people are going to come out and vote against them. So they're trying their best to tamp down this fire, but they can't get anyone to believe them any more."
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Like I said.... draft = unlikely in this climate and in this situation... not impossible but its as likely as every Interference member here liking Creed....
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Old 10-06-2004, 06:05 PM   #19
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The #1 reason a draft will not happen is because it is NOT needed. The United States has a total of 85 ground combat brigades. Of that total, 30 Brigades are deployed, the other 55 Brigades are at their home bases in the United States and Western Europe.

#2 If more troops are needed, the military would expand the all volunteer military which today is only about half the size of what it was 15 years during the Cold War.
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The #1 reason a draft will not happen is because it is NOT needed. The United States has a total of 85 ground combat brigades. Of that total, 30 Brigades are deployed, the other 55 Brigades are at their home bases in the United States and Western Europe.

#2 If more troops are needed, the military would expand the all volunteer military which today is only about half the size of what it was 15 years during the Cold War.
Once again Sting tell that to my friends because they are ready for more than a month off between deployments.
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#2 If more troops are needed, the military would expand the all volunteer military which today is only about half the size of what it was 15 years during the Cold War.
How would they do that?

Go to junior high schools and offer them xboxes for signing up?
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Once again Sting tell that to my friends because they are ready for more than a month off between deployments.
How many combat Brigades the United States military has and the regions they are deployed in is not classified information. If you would like a source for these figures as well as where and what these brigades have been doing over the past couple of years go to www.globalsecurity.org

Do you know which Units your friends are with? Are they in the Active Army or Marines, National Guard etc? There are some specialized units that may have a much higher rate of deployment than your normal average Brigade sized Unit.

Do you have any information that would show that more than 30 Brigades out of the United States total force of 85 Brigades, is deployed overseas?
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How would they do that?

Go to junior high schools and offer them xboxes for signing up?
How do you think the Active duty Military was able to maintain a force size of around 2 million after the end of the draft in 1974?

The fact right now is, recruiting is far easier, than it was during the Clinton years. All branches have easily met their annual goals except for the National Guard which came up short by a couple of thousand because an unusually large number of troops(who's active duty commitment was up) decided to stay in the Active Army which by the way is on a constant rotation schedual for deployment in Iraq.
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It has been part of military doctrine since Vietnam to never use non-volunteer troops again. The simple fact is that they do not complete the task as well and a smaller force of motivated, well trained troops will accomplish far more that those just waiting for their tour to end. Anyone who enlist or is commisioned into the miltary should know that service time beyond the "standard" are contractual. Most reservist don't seem to care when they are collecting their monthly checks. I speak as a former active duty, then reserve, officer. The draft is a scare tactic. Journalist speculating and taking quotes out of context or narrow-scope comments from a few individuals do not make fact.
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