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Old 01-01-2007, 08:07 AM   #106
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I think what's going on here is that you can't understand the fact that there is true evil in the world.
this kind of statement is what I find to be so personal, that unless someone shares the life with you, a ridiculous one to make.

I have faced true evil.

There are members of thisboard who have lost homes, their city, their family and friends to the face of true evil.
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Old 01-01-2007, 10:58 PM   #107
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True evil is very human, to make someone who has done evil things into some sort of monster and to dehumanise them only dehumanises ones attitude toward the person.

Saddam Hussein did some foul, terrible things, but he was a man. Yet another example of Hanna Arendt's "banality of evil".

Saddam did some terrible things, like I said, but I don't wish death upon anybody, or celebrate it. More than anything he's been turned into a matyr.
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Old 01-02-2007, 06:55 AM   #108
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I am talking about people who are very strongly in favour of war (Iraq is just one example) who very coldly and detachedly discuss things like collateral damage. And say things like, "it is war and war is horrible." Well no shit, Sherlock. But if they truly understood the scope of the horror they would comment differently, believe me, because nobody I know who lived through something like that says things they do. Usually you can pick them out when they start talking about how people have been liberated. Well, I will ask you when your house is gone and your children have been blown up, and you no longer have a job or a best friend, what is your liberty worth?
Great post. Icouldn´t have said it any better. Glad to see you on FYM
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Great post. Icouldn´t have said it any better. Glad to see you on FYM
Indeed.
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Maybe some of you could jus think of the "RIP" in the title as standing for "Rot In Pieces" and then we'd all be happy. . .

I don't believe it is ever appropriate to celebrate someone's death.

I don't think that means you're required to grieve either. Let's face it, Saddam's death is hardly ruining anybody's day, but I do think there should always be a recognition of the solemnity and finality of death. Celebrating, cheering, gloating is all inappropriate. That's the attitude and talk of someone who's watched one too many action films.

As to Saddam's status as a human being, yeah, he was a human being. It boggles the mind that people can't understand that when you paint a person (or a group of people) as completely, unredeemably evil monsters, it opens the door for all kinds of atrocities and inhumanity. Saddam, as well as other despots throughout history were able "justify" their horrible deeds by arguing that those they tortured, killed etc were unredeemably evil monsters for whom destruction was the only option. When your enemy is no longer human but Evil, anything is justifiable in defeating and destroying him. That was the philosophy Saddam, Stalin, Hitler and many others lived by. It's the same philosophy Osama bin Laden used to justify has actions. The question you have to ask yourself is are you living by the same philosophy as well?
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Saddam, as well as other despots throughout history were able "justify" their horrible deeds by arguing that those they tortured, killed etc were unredeemably evil monsters for whom destruction was the only option. It's the same philosophy Osama bin Laden used to justify has actions.
Are you saying Osama and Bush have something in common? Reminds me of the quote "axis of evil".
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I'd say that (about bush and osama/saddam), but then i've been down that road before, and it gets rough.

anitram great post I agree, it is so easy for people to sit in their safe countries and see a number rolling past on the screen and go 'well thats what happens in a war' and not actually think of the actual loss of life and the people connected to the ones lost. I grieve for them all.

I also wish to talk about the hpyocrisy that I have seen in the us media surrounding Saddams execution. Salivating over the pictures and video footage of the actual execution. I turned on the TV to hear 'now, we are having people watch the tape first, then we will show it, we're just making sure whats on it and how much we can show' i turned the TV OFF. I don't want to see Saddam with a rope around his neck I don't want to see him swing or anything like that, and honestly, it sickens me that people would. I love that the us blurs out someones bum on a TV show, but is happy to show a real person getting executed on TV.
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^Agreed with this. Sometimes I think my country isn't all that far from the lions vs. the Christians in the Colosseum. Seriously.

Wondering if people see a distinction between the fact that he was executed and whether he'd died accidentally, or had been killed evading capture for example. Because while I'm concerned with this mockery of a trial, and even more so by the way the US government and US media have handled the actual execution, I'm not sorry Saddam is dead. I think people are a bit too quick to assume that if he lived, he'd live out his life in prison. What if the people of Iraq (if we ever give them their country back) decided to free him? Would that be a concern?
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^Agreed with this. Sometimes I think my country isn't all that far from the lions vs. the Christians in the Colosseum. Seriously.

Wondering if people see a distinction between the fact that he was executed and whether he'd died accidentally, or had been killed evading capture for example. Because while I'm concerned with this mockery of a trial, and even more so by the way the US government and US media have handled the actual execution, I'm not sorry Saddam is dead. I think people are a bit too quick to assume that if he lived, he'd live out his life in prison. What if the people of Iraq (if we ever give them their country back) decided to free him? Would that be a concern?
if they did that, some people in washington would have a few things to explain in a courtroom.
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It was an Iraqi trial in an Iraqi court sanctioned by the government elected by the Iraqi people that led to his execution at an Iraqi military base without representatives of the US present - it's different than if he had been summararily executed by American soldiers.
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This is a REST IN PEACE thread. Another thread about Saddam's execution already exists:

http://forum.interference.com/t170990.html

If these threads were to be exactly alike, they would be merged. However, I think it's plain to see that they are two different things.
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It was an Iraqi trial in an Iraqi court sanctioned by the government elected by the Iraqi people that led to his execution at an Iraqi military base without representatives of the US present - it's different than if he had been summararily executed by American soldiers.
you don't think the u.s. had anything to do with this whatsoever? come on, a_wanderer, you're much cleverer than that. the "authorities" of the current iraq are nothing but puppets.

sorry, bonochick.
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Puppets of whom?

Theres a good reason that the Iraqi government protests the coalition arresting Iranian operatives.
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puppets of the goverment of the the army that controls the entire country, and without whom the country would explode.
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Doesn't line up with the evidence; the polical squabbles and dealings of Iraqi politics seem quite independent of the Bush agenda.
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