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Old 12-31-2006, 02:11 AM   #76
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You certainly seem incapable of recognising that despite Saddam's actions, he was nonetheless human and it is sad when any human's life is unnaturally cut short.
you seem incapable of recognizing that i can fully fucking well decide if and when i want to be "sad" when someone such as saddam dies.

it's funny, emotion is supposed to be removed from this equation by taking the high road and simply let bygones be bygones. this is all quite rich.

when some random bloke in tajikistan keels over and dies tomorrow or the day after, is that supposed to make me sad too? i mean honestly... are you for real?

i have my own life as well as those whom i know and care for to worry about. not the deaths of dictators who never once affected my life.
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Old 12-31-2006, 04:10 AM   #77
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Zoomerang, like many of your posts, that one is just not worth the time it would take to respond. This is the last time I will direct any comments on this topic towards you (unless some sort of exceptional circumstance is somehow presented).

Have a good one.
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Rest in peace, Saddam. May you be in peace wherever you are.
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Yeah, let's torture criminals. That's a great punishment, officially endorsed by, guess who, Saddam Hussein himself!

I do not see why, in dispensing justice, we should lower ourselves to the level of the guilty party.
Both reversable forms of punishment, induced pain may be too much but robbing somebody of conciousness has the same effect as death only hopefully reversable.
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neither induced pain nor robbing of consciousness is in any way reversable.
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So if the pain was stopped or and person woken up nothing at all changes? The pain was put out there for the hypothetical argument of proportional punishment; I was not arguing for it. But the idea of a punitive coma instead of execution has it's merits, same basic result but if the person turned out to be innocent then they could be brought out of it.
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there are profound psychological consequences of torture.

and if you rob a person of his consciousness for a long enough time, he will have to put a lot of effort into finding out what has happened in the world around him, not to mention getting his skills trained again.
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In cases of capital punishment the objective is not rehabilitation it is the removal of the individual from society; now any system of justice is never going to be 100% so if you have the state killing people then there will be instances where innocent people will be murdered by the state - if instead they are put into a punitive coma then in the event they turn out to be innocent then it is more reversable than death. The same objective is acheived with at least some form of fail safe.
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but why put them in a coma? why not just behind bars?
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Because it would be the ultimate deprivation of liberty - which is what the death penalty is.
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Good riddance to bad rubbish!!!

This is a GREAT new year's present to the free world and a great day for the Iraqi people who have suffered under this monster for so many years.
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you go on believing that the execution of saddam will make iraq and the free world a better and more save place.
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Because it would be the ultimate deprivation of liberty - which is what the death penalty is.
If you put them into a coma, they really won't experience that deprivation of liberty though, would they? They would have the fear of it before hand and then nothing really at all afterwards....until they are woken up or never.

All sounds a bit like the movie Demolition Man to me.
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It's less torturous than life in prison, it acheives the same ends as death and if managed properly could be cheaper; a strong case could be made.
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Saddam deserves the RIP. Period. He did not do it alone. He had people carry out orders. If every single person refused to carry them out, there would have been nobody to do his bidding. AGain, I sit here thinking about why he evolved into the person he became. Can you imagine what it would feel like to your soul to be him? Carry that around knowing the damage you have done to countless families.

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