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Old 01-17-2005, 01:28 PM   #1
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Right wing hate mongers

I've been seeing a lot of heated rhetoric on some of these threads. I don't see the basis of some of the name calling I hear in political arguments. So I'll start with one in particular. I'm trying to get the word "hate" out of the discourse. And yes, I'm oversimlifying complex issues for the sake of discussion.

Say a someone (a) disagrees with a behavior or belief of another person (b). Then (b) decides he's going to form a political group (B) with others who share the same behavior or belief to acquire political power and shape society according to those views that (a) opposes. Then (a) forms their group (A) to counteract the political power of (B) and a national debate is held. It's a big political game.,Where does the "hate" come into play?
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I've been seeing a lot of heated rhetoric on some of these threads. I don't see the basis of some of the name calling I hear in political arguments. So I'll start with one in particular. I'm trying to get the word "hate" out of the discourse. And yes, I'm oversimlifying complex issues for the sake of discussion.

Say a someone (a) disagrees with a behavior or belief of another person (b). Then (b) decides he's going to form a political group (B) with others who share the same behavior or belief to acquire political power and shape society according to those views that (a) opposes. Then (a) forms their group (A) to counteract the political power of (B) and a national debate is held. It's a big political game.,Where does the "hate" come into play?
It depends on the original disagreement with said behavior or beliefs. What is it based on. And vice versa.
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Because one group wants to oppress the other group, deny them equal protection, etc.



Oppressing people is not a way to show love.
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Because one group wants to oppress the other group



Oppressing people is not a way to show love.
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If there is indeed oppression, the people are to be the judge of that, and the oppressive party is defeated politically.
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The goal of politics is not to show love or hate, it is to shape your society according to what you believe is best for it.
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If there is indeed oppression, the people are to be the judge of that, and the oppressive party is defeated politically.
So I'm missing the point of the thread?
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... it is to shape your society according to what you believe is best for it.
What if that involves hate?
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If there is indeed oppression, the people are to be the judge of that, and the oppressive party is defeated politically.

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The goal of politics is not to show love or hate, it is to shape your society according to what you believe is best for it.

These are the same arguments the segregationists made in the South.

They won all their local elections, and statewide elections, too.
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Well, if the segregationists had any morality, it sure didn't show. They were playing raw, naked power games to keep one group in absolute power and the other group in absolute subjection. The group in absolute subjection didn't even have votes. This is not quite true of any group in America these days, everyone at least has voting rights and that's some power. Maybe not much.
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What if that involves hate?
And I'll be happy to repeat the original question: WHERE DOES "HATE" COME INTO PLAY?
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The goal of politics is not to show love or hate, it is to shape your society according to what you believe is best for it.
I firmly believe that many things pushed politically are hate driven. True, it not how it should work, but should work and does work are often two very different things.
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And I'll be happy to repeat the original question: WHERE DOES "HATE" COME INTO PLAY?
Look at his scenario and place the KKK in group A? That would be hate now wouldn't it?
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Yes, hate comes into play when you put a group like the KKK in the scenario, or any group with ideas like that of the Klan that slams any group of people.
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Look at his scenario and place the KKK in group A? That would be hate now wouldn't it?
Yes, but they are very extreme. They have little if any influence in our society today. What other "right wing hate mongers" are there (I bet you were going to say Jerry Falwell, weren't you?)
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