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Old 01-18-2005, 04:20 PM   #91
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I've heard of Focus on the Family. Not sure how much political power Dr. Dobson has or if he's even active in Washington. Maybe he is. Never heard of the others. There has to be more to the powerful religious right than that.
Really? You don't see it? I don't think we would have even had gay marriage on the ballot of some 11 or 13 states if the religious right didn't have power.
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Old 01-18-2005, 04:39 PM   #92
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This is a pretty simplistic way to look at the issue.

You have one group that in essence wants to opress another group by not allowing them equal rights. And why? Based on their interpretation of one or two lines in the Bible. Not because someone's being harmed, not for constitutional reasons. They choose to ignore so many other pieces of the Bible. Doesn't sound like a simple two sides of the story to me sounds like hate.
I guess we have to agree that we have differing ideas of what opression and equal rights are.
So go ahead then call them right wing haters. I, however, will definitely not refer to pro abortion proponents as "killers."
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Old 01-18-2005, 04:40 PM   #93
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I need more names of powerful political lobbies that make up the "Religious Right"
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Old 01-18-2005, 04:55 PM   #94
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I guess we have to agree that we have differing ideas of what opression and equal rights are.
So go ahead then call them right wing haters. I, however, will definitely not refer to pro abortion proponents as "killers."
It's pro choice not pro abortion. Pro abortion would mean one is for abortion in all pregnancies, and I think you would be very hard pressed to find anyone with that view.


And you were the one to title this thread.
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Do I hear a call for political correctness?
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Old 01-18-2005, 05:00 PM   #96
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I need more names of powerful political lobbies that make up the "Religious Right"
Real political power is often not wielded by household names. With notoriety comes light and inspection. Power brokers work best stealthily.
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Do I hear a call for political correctness?
Nope, but I'm not surprised you think you do. It's a good all purpose phrase to attack those who disagree with you (not just you specifically). I offered a clarification. Pro choice is simply more accurate than pro abortion (and I already explained why).
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now it's a semantic argument. I'll rephrase:

I, however, will definitely not refer to pro choice proponents as "killers."

It seems we've come full circle and still using the term "Hate" to describe right wing political groups. I guess my exercise failed
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Real political power is often not wielded by household names. With notoriety comes light and inspection. Power brokers work best stealthily.
The recent defeat of gay marriage initiatives by the electorate in eleven states would seem to refute this idea that the Religious Right "power brokers" worked stealthily behind the scenes to advance their agenda

Still waiting........
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It seems we've come full circle and still using the term "Hate" to describe right wing political groups. I guess my exercise failed
Well you and many others haven't answered fundamental question asked by myself and others so no your exercise didn't work.
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Dobson has a lot of power. Frequent meetings with W, Meet the Press with Falwell, and to my joy Wallis.

Pat Robertson's org is exptremely powerful. He has said it doesn't matter what W does, no matter if he screws up, because he's been chosen by God.

They had lost a lot of their political might due to the scandals, like Jim Baker, ect but the Clinton moral outrage put some air in their tires. Now Dobson claims the Religious right reelected Bush and he owes them big time.

To put it in the characterization of hate Robertson has prayed on live TV for the SUpreme Court Justices to die so W can appoint several. SICK
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The recent defeat of gay marriage initiatives by the electorate in eleven states would seem to refute this idea that the Religious Right "power brokers" worked stealthily behind the scenes to advance their agenda

Still waiting........
Of course they did. Those initiatives were on the ballot to mobilize the base, and get them out to vote, mostly for little Bush (hence the "morals" vote). The power brokers wanted Bush to win, and since he couldn't win on his own, these initiatives were dragged out and the "destruction of society as we know it" fearmongering was pushed. Most of the people who voted to ban gay marriages and civil unions also voted for Bush. The power brokers orchestrated it, and just as they wanted it, very few people even see them behind the curtain at the controls.
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The recent defeat of gay marriage initiatives by the electorate in eleven states would seem to refute this idea that the Religious Right "power brokers" worked stealthily behind the scenes to advance their agenda

Still waiting........
The defeat? All 11 voted to pass the ban. This doesn't show you anything?
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To put it in the characterization of hate Robertson has prayed on live TV for the SUpreme Court Justices to die so W can appoint several. SICK
This really stood out. For obvious reasons. You mean to tell me this man prayed that someone would die??? He wished death no no not wished, prayed to God that a judge would die? Pleaseeeee show me where that happened. Links, anything. I find that very hard to believe.
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I will have to pull them up but yes he did, He said, "I have prayed...". On his show the 700 club.
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