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Old 01-18-2005, 01:27 PM   #76
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I'm still trying to figure out what this homosexual "agenda" (talk about tired rhetoric) is, exactly.
I guess the push for gay marriage doesn't constitute an agenda?
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I guess the push for gay marriage doesn't constitute an agenda?

insomuch as the push for civil rights for African-Americans in the 1960s was an agenda, yes.
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honey, they're already AT the meeting! we all know who they are.
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so, if you're interested, and want to know more about the "agenda," let me know.


I do a pretty great Karaoke Freddie Mercury, but by agenda, I don't mean what you do in meetings but the public policy which is advocated and fought for on the political front
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"agenda" is a neutral word. Some good, some bad. There isn't enough time for me to discuss the differences between the civil rights movement and the push for gay marriage. I'm sure lots of people take offense to your comparison
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I do a pretty great Karaoke Freddie Mercury, but by agenda, I don't mean what you do in meetings but the public policy which is advocated and fought for on the political front

i think "agenda" has such a clinical term to it -- and to label something as the "homosexual agenda" implies a consensus that simply isn't there. there are many homosexuals who don't want to get married, don't care about equal marriage rights, and that's fine. organizations like the HRC and GLAAD may have agendas of varying degrees, but such agends are held by members of those organizations, not by all homosexuals. true, most members of HRC and GLAAD are homosexuals, but most homosexuals are not members of either organization. also, there are many far left gay organizations that do things that even a majority of gay people disagree with -- one example is the public outing of anti-gay politicians.

basically, organizations have agendas; groups of people who are lumped together on the basis of a certain social distinction do not. they are as diverse as any other group and couldn't possibly agree on any agenda -- homosexuals come from every imaginable background in America, of all creeds, colors, races, and socio-economic backgrounds.
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I'm sure lots of people take offense to your comparison

and i would welcome that discussion.
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Thanks for clarifying. I was indeed referring to political groups such as GLAAD, not the entire subset of society that happens to be gay. Political groups have a defined agenda and seek legislation (or court judgements) to further that agenda. That being said, I could be way out of line assuming that gay marriage is on the official agenda for GLAAD or HRC
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That being said, I could be way out of line assuming that gay marriage is on the official agenda for GLAAD or HRC

you're 100% correct about the HRC. that's pretty much it's main focus these days. GLAAD i don't know much about, but they tend to focus on media representation (or misrepresentation) of gays and lesbians. they're the ones who get all up in arms about Eminem (and this is a homo who thinks Em's a genius ... his use of the word "homo" and his near obession with homosexuality that is in all his records is *fascinating* but subject for another discussion).

but it's much easier to think that all members of a group are like-minded robots. it serves an anti-gay agenda to characterize all homosexuals as some kind of clandestine operatives who are insular, clannish, and secretly powerful -- come to think of it, this sounds just like Jews were regarded in much of pre-WW2 Europe ...
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Now, in this spirit could someone identify the names of specific political groups that would constitute the bogeyman umbrella term "Religious Right"? and give your opinion on relatively how much political power they actually hold? Let's say, compared to the ACLU.
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I am tempted to say yes, right-wingers do often use hate to further their agendas/interests. However, I don't really want to say that because it would be hypocritical. I mean, it would be lie to say that I've never said even mildly hateful things about the right.

However, I don't hate right-wingers. What I hate is the mindset of the religious-right. What I mean by that is, I sometimes feel like the most devout of religious people get to a point where all of their opinions about the most important things in life are based on a book(bible in this case), and what really bothers me is when these people sometimes actually compromise thinking for themselves in favor of letting the book think for them. And that mindset is what I get really annoyed at.

I don't know if that fits your mold of using hate to further my agenda, but if it does, then I can't very well say the right wing does so without being a hypocrite.
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Now, in this spirit could someone identify the names of specific political groups that would constitute the bogeyman umbrella term "Religious Right"? and give your opinion on relatively how much political power they actually hold? Let's say, compared to the ACLU.


firstly, i think it's wrong to place these groups in the same category as the ACLU, or to pit them against each other as if they performed the same work just from different sides of the political spectrum. it's like apples to oranges.

Focus on the Family and Concerned Women for America are the two loudest that come to mind. i went on the CWA website, and these were just half the links they had:

Sanctity of Human Life

The Ultimate Pro-Life Resource List
Shake the Nation Campaign
Life News
Priests for Life
Pregnancy Centers
Care Net
prolife.about.com
Precious Lives
Post-Abortion Counseling: Project Rachel
Abortion and Breast Cancer:
Coalition on Abortion/Breast Cancer,
(562 KB RealVideo commercial);
Dr. John Kindley;
Dr. Joel Brind
Americans to Ban Cloning


Abstinence

Real Love Productions (Mary Beth Bonacci)
Straight Talk with Pam Stenzel
Power Choices (Howard Flaherty)
Pure Freedom Retreats (Bob and Dannah Gresh)
RSVP America Campaign expose Kinsey fraudulence —
the basis for sex education and AIDS prevention programs



For Abused Women

My Sister's Keeper International
Esther Ministries


Education

Alliance for the Separation of School and State (Marshall Fritz)
Christian Teachers in Public Schools
Black Alliance for Educational Options (Kaleem Caire)
National Parents Commission (Peg Luksik)
Home School Legal Defense Association (Michael Farris)
Home Education Network (Vicky Brady)
The Mel Gablers' Educational Research Analysts
Gateways to Better Education (Eric Buehrer)
Veronica Karaman Ministries
Answers in Genesis (Ken Ham)
Google Directory: Homeschooling in the U.S., School Choice


Entertainment

Parents Television Council
Reel 2 Real Ministries (Eric Holmberg)
Movieguide (Ted Baehr)
Challenger Films, Inc.


Pornography Addiction

Setting Captives Free
Pure Life Ministry
Christian Alliance for Sexual Recovery
Faithful and True Ministries
Christians for Sexual Integrity
National Coalition for the Protection of Children and Families


Ex-Homosexual

Exodus International
Stephen Bennett Ministries
International Healing Foundation (Richard Cohen)
Mission: America (Linda Harvey)
Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays


U.S. Congress

Whipping Post
Values Action Team
House Republican Study Committee

Government

Project Vote Smart
State Legislature links
Google Directory: State Government


Biblical Worldview

Summit Ministries
Bryan College
InspiredLeadership.com (Jeff Myers)
Probe Ministries


and that's just a start.
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I find it interesting that a topic that started out fairly neutral in terms of socio-political biases has quickly become so...

How quickly do (certain) post-ers turn into the haters they decry...
I notice you barely have 70 posts and you haven't been in FYM very long yet you can call out "certain posters" already as haters.
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the original reason for starting this thread was to discuss why one political group would attach a human emotion such as hate and use it as an umbrella to describe members of another group. An example was given of segregationists. To this I would say that they were, to a degree, self admitted haters. The so called Chirstian Right would not describe themselves as haters. But because they oppose the political agenda of the well organized gay lobby they are called haters. I just see it as two opposing visions for society. Let them duke it out and present their cases to the public.

This is a pretty simplistic way to look at the issue.

You have one group that in essence wants to opress another group by not allowing them equal rights. And why? Based on their interpretation of one or two lines in the Bible. Not because someone's being harmed, not for constitutional reasons. They choose to ignore so many other pieces of the Bible. Doesn't sound like a simple two sides of the story to me sounds like hate.
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I've heard of Focus on the Family. Not sure how much political power Dr. Dobson has or if he's even active in Washington. Maybe he is. Never heard of the others. There has to be more to the powerful religious right than that.
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