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Old 09-23-2005, 08:05 PM   #61
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These current
Reverends are nowhere near the love and truth that Martin Luther King Jr. expressed.

MLK did not hate white people or any people.

Read his speeches, read Letters From a Birmingham Jail...

King threw away his crayon box and tried to teach us to judge people by their character, not color.


Since his death, we have been led, on this issue, by fools of spin, hate,power, and greed.


We have been sent back and continually sent back back, by
all of these thugs who claim to represent their race while they feed their ego, spin hate, and collect $$$.

It is very sad.
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These current
Reverends are nowhere near the love and truth that Martin Luther King Jr. expressed.

MLK did not hate white people or any people.

Read his speeches, read Letters From a Birmingham Jail...

King threw away his crayon box and tried to teach us to judge people by their character, not color.


Since his death, we have been led, on this issue, by fools of spin, hate,power, and greed.


We have been sent back and continually sent back back, by
all of these thugs who claim to represent their race while they feed their ego, spin hate, and collect $$$.



It is very sad.


Generally speaking I agree with you. We need a leader like MLK, and we don't have one, plain and simple, and I think we really need an MLK right now. It's depressing.
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MLK did not hate white people or any people.
I agree these leaders aren't MLK but I wouldn't say they hate white people.



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We have been sent back and continually sent back back, by
all of these thugs who claim to represent their race while they feed their ego, spin hate, and collect $$$.

We've been sent back. But not by Jackson and Sharpton. But by the ones that claim that race isn't an issue today.
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Old 09-23-2005, 08:38 PM   #64
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"We've been sent back. But not by Jackson and Sharpton. But by the ones that claim that race isn't an issue today."

If you really believe your post BonoVoxSupastar,

that is where you are so wrong.

*so wrong*

*And you have no idea on who my parents were or how I was raised or who I played with as a kid or who my friends are now...
Do you?***


Who then, has sent us back?

Plain folk like me and others just living our lives and treating other people fairly and as neigbors?
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This thread is a wonderful example of why the reverends remain relevant still today.

res ipsa loquitur?
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"This thread is a wonderful example of why the reverends remain relevant still today."

What Reverends? Relevant?

Do you have some righteous examples?
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*And you have no idea on who my parents were or how I was raised or who I played with as a kid or who my friends are now...
Do you?***

Did I make such claims? I said nothing about you...

Paranoid much?
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"Did I make such claims? I said nothing about you...

Paranoid much?"

No you did not
BonoVoxSupastar,

*i apologize*

I guess I was carried away in the dicussion.

I was just trying to say that this boy is colorblind and
sick and angry that some seem bent on dividing us, not bringing us closer.
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I was just trying to say that this boy is colorblind and
sick and angry that some seem bent on dividing us, not bringing us closer.
It angers me as well. The majority of dividers are the ones that have ignored the fact that there is still a huge offset of economics and education between the races. Until this issue is addressed we will always be divided.
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i can't believe you people have the energy to keep this debate up.

white male privelage exists. race must matter.

class trumps race everytime, imo.

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i can't believe you people have the energy to keep this debate up.

white male privelage exists. race must matter.

class trumps race everytime, imo.



it is amazing, isn't it? the lack of willingness to understand one's (usually involuntary) participation in a "raced" class system. anecdotes about "well i treat everyone the same" function as a means to absolve someone of guilt.

just remember: many people born on 3rd base walk through life thinking they hit a triple.
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Originally posted by the iron horse
These current
Reverends are nowhere near the love and truth that Martin Luther King Jr. expressed.

MLK did not hate white people or any people.

Read his speeches, read Letters From a Birmingham Jail...

King threw away his crayon box and tried to teach us to judge people by their character, not color.


Since his death, we have been led, on this issue, by fools of spin, hate,power, and greed.


We have been sent back and continually sent back back, by
all of these thugs who claim to represent their race while they feed their ego, spin hate, and collect $$$.

It is very sad.




generally speaking -this is a load of crap



you use your crayons to color a MLK
that is palatable to you

you twists his words
to allow intolerance to black people


and you have no understanding of how MLK was percieved "in his time."

do you suggest Jesse Jackson hates White people?

are you aware that the FBI taped MLK fucking a white woman in a motel room
and then tried to blackmail him into going away (or committing suicide) because he was labeled a Communist?
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"generally speaking -this is a load of crap"

I welcome your opinion.


"you use your crayons to color a MLK
that is palatable to you"

I was born, raised and live in the south.
My father was a Baptist pastor who was often invited to preach in Black churches. I have vivid memories of going with him to these services. My father and mother taught me respect and love for all people.

During my early years(6-10) I was babysitted by a young black woman who kept me in line with her stern discipline and entertained me by playing music of her favorite black artists...Gospel/R&R.

She died three years ago from cancer. I attended her funeral. I have so much repect and love for her.



"you twists his words
to allow intolerance to black people"

I don't think I have even posted any quotes by Martin Luther King.

Where have I suggested we should be intolerant to black people?


"and you have no understanding of how MLK was percieved "in his time."

And you have no idea of my life experiences or what I know.
I have only given you a brief history of my early life.

"do you suggest Jesse Jackson hates White people?"

I don't know if he hates white people. I have read that, as a hotel cook in Greenville S.C. he often spat on the food being served to white people.

I do think that he has used race and continues to use race to his advantage. Where was he before Katrina talking about the poverty in new Orleans?

I also know, from reading books on King, that King did not trust him and right before he was killed he was considering firing Jackson from the group. You should read what Raph Abernathy wrote on King's relationship to Jackson.

"are you aware that the FBI taped MLK fucking a white woman in a motel room
and then tried to blackmail him into going away (or committing suicide) because he was labeled a Communist?"

I have always heard that rumor. I don't know if it really happened. I will agree that he was being watched by the FBI and was, by some, considered to a communist.

Even if true, Martin Luther King was not a perfect person. I know I am not. We have all sinned and done stupid things.

This does not alter my view, that King was trying to the right thing by bringing us all together and ending the racial barrier.
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My initial reply may have been a bit harsh, I hope you took no personal offence.

I will try and use a more moderate tone

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I was born, raised and live in the south.
My father was a Baptist pastor who was often invited to preach in Black churches. I have vivid memories of going with him to these services. My father and mother taught me respect and love for all people.

During my early years(6-10) I was babysitted by a young black woman who kept me in line with her stern discipline and entertained me by playing music of her favorite black artists...Gospel/R&R.

She died three years ago from cancer. I attended her funeral. I have so much repect and love for her.

I don't know you and your profile is empty.

I have volunteered, in my postings, that I am a 50 year-old white male living in the OC, CA

I think you live in a rural area and are a white male in your 20s or 30s

Regardless, we each have our life experiences and learning curves.

I don't completely get the deep South and the race issues.

I do have nieces and nephews that were born in CA and now live in Columbia, SC.

I remember one telling me the Confederate Flag just represents Southern Culture and pride.

I don’t buy it, and think it should be barred from public places or outright banned just like Nazi flags are in most of Europe.

My father and upbringing influenced my opinions and I am sure your upbringing has influenced yours.

Back to the topic

Association with black people does not preclude one from having prejudices.

I do not accuse you. I just find these types of statements not germane to the subject.

Strom Thurmond probably loved his black nanny and attended her service and would say he respected her.

And he was one of our most promenade segregationist, at one time.
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I don't think I have even posted any quotes by Martin Luther King.





"not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character"

is from the "I have a dream" speech



your paraphase

"judge people by their character, not color"
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