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Old 09-23-2005, 02:13 PM   #16
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Wow, that comment about "blending in" with the "rest of us" really sums up why race really is still an issue. Incredible.
I was simply seeing myself as a minority who wants to fit in. Nice job for those who had to take it out of context.
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I was simply seeing myself as a minority who wants to fit in.


and your inability to do so accurately underscores precisely why race matters so much.
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that they wish to blend in with the rest of us.

do you even hear yourself?
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Old 09-23-2005, 02:20 PM   #19
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and your inability to do so accurately underscores precisely why race matters so much.
So tell me about it. All you've said is that it matters. Now tell me why without personalizing my posts.
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Why do you think minorities need or want to "fit in" ? What exactly does that mean?
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If race matters, it shouldn't. I don't believe that a lot of minorities would agree with you that "only white people" can wish for a colorblind society. I feel the opposite is true, that they wish to blend in with the rest of us.
i think that our society is in a bit of a rut when it comes to dealing with racism in the sense that we readily decry blatant displays of racism, but still turn a blind eye to less obvious, ingrained, systematic racism that underlies our culture, our political and legal institutions, our view of society, etc.

i disagree with your point that everyone just wants to "blend in" with the rest of "us". i suspect that everyone simply wants to be recognized and accepted for who they are, but not judged on the basis of skin colour.

i personally object to the use of the term "race" to identify a specific group of people, because the term itself is a political construct, by nature designed to differentiate "us" from "them". in that sense, race shouldn't matter, but since it does exist, it has to matter.
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Now tell me why without personalizing my posts.
I don't think he is personalizing your posts, nor is anyone else. You are posting what you think about this issue and maybe people have the right to have questions about it.
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i disagree with your point that everyone just wants to "blend in" with the rest of "us". i suspect that everyone simply wants to be recognized and accepted for who they are, but not judged on the basis of skin colour.


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There are all kinds of ideas that will never be completely eliminated. I don't see the need for racial agitators any more than I see the need for anyone still fighting to let women into the workforce.
are you just goading us, or do you really think that?
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Why do you think minorities need or want to "fit in" ? What exactly does that mean?
Just as I want to fit in with society. To be a part of it without Jesse Jackson saying "there aren't enough Macfisto's in this forum. I will not rest until 50% of all posters have Macfisto in their name." Now is that so difficult?
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i suspect that everyone simply wants to be recognized and accepted for who they are, but not judged on the basis of skin colour.
I suspect that too
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are you just goading us, or do you really think that?
Let me simplify it for you. I don't need to hear Jesse Jackson's profound, yet predictable accusations of racism every time we have a hurricane.
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looks like everybody else heard this too.



i am sure you believe your remark was neutral


most of us

have a hard time admitting our opinions could be wrong




"if women stopped bitching about sexism
life would be a lot better of all of us- men and women alike"

some find no harm in this statement
some might find a lacking


I can argue I want a better life for ALL of us.
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i suspect that everyone simply wants to be recognized and accepted for who they are, but not judged on the basis of skin colour.
I agree. But how can we achieve this when we cry "racism" day after day without any credibility?
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looks like everybody else heard this too.

i am sure you believe your remark was neutral

most of us

have a hard time admitting our opinions could be wrong
Or may have phrased it in a way that could be taken out of context. Honest mistake, now let's move on with the discussion.
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