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Old 02-21-2003, 07:26 PM   #31
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Very well put, Sherry. As a practicing Catholic I can relate to this. Religion per se is not the problem here. It's as you say, bad judgment, ignorance of the severity of the crisis in Africa and probably politics. We can't afford to screw up like this.
Its not only that, verte76. It is greed too, pure greed. Why should the US or Europe be interested in seriously building up/ helping Africa and African people if they can still rob a whole continents treasures of the soil? To think this is only kind of "misguided" is a little underestimated, in my opinion. This tragedy happens intentionally.

Edit: I have to add: Sure, as we all know, sometimes a little help happens. But why does the general picture stay the same? This is because control, research and development, economical power f.e. by directing terms of trade, stays with the first world.

Those principles could have been changed a long time ago in favor of human rights principles all around the world, but they arenīt and werenīt. Why should they, with the profits that are made by unfair policies, breaking down every resistance with military power, when it gets a little dangerous for protagonists who are in power.

So, the robbing just continues.
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Re Pres. Bush, Bono said the opposite of you HipHop.

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First of all, I donīt think so.

And if that was the case, diamond?

So what?

I can afford to have a different opinion from Bonos
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Plus, I might add, the Bush administration disappoints me again. Not that I wouldīve thought a miracle to be true...
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Bush is a born-again religious fanatic, and, once again, proves why our Founding Fathers had the foresight to value secularism.

If you cannot separate your religious beliefs from your professional career, then you have a problem.

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Exactly.

And I agree with hiphop, too...Bush is cruel. He's a jerk.

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RE:Irish Voice..not exactly totally up to date, their last post was 2 days ago, and their Bono Nobel announcement was I think 2 days later than most other outlets. Also, they don't have half the Bono news that other outlets do. In fact very little about Bono.

I have it on good faith that he quite possibly was there, from someone who should know. I don't have pictures and I don't have quotes. Either you believe me or you don't, but those who know me know I don't intentionally lie about anything.

"dreamy mis-guided youth"...you crack me up Diamond..

BTW...isn't this thread about AIDS???

Or did you not have a comment on the Bush administration's despicable proposal Diamond?
Yes, this thread is about AIDs but I was responding to a question 2 people asked. This will be my last off-track post in this thread, I promise.

Regarding the Irish Voice...I'm reading the actual newspaper, not the online edition and its dated Wed. 2/19 through Tues. 2/25. The marches were just this past weekend...how much more up to date can they be for a weekly paper? And they do have quite a bit of Bono/U2 content...just read some of the letters they get from readers complaining about just how many U2 and especially Bono stories they actually do.

And I'm not saying you're a liar Gabriel...I would never say that about anyone here... but there are always 2 sides to every story...you gave yours and I was just giving mine.
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Its not only that, verte76. It is greed too, pure greed. Why should the US or Europe be interested in seriously building up/ helping Africa and African people if they can still rob a whole continents treasures of the soil? To think this is only kind of "misguided" is a little underestimated, in my opinion. This tragedy happens intentionally.

Edit: I have to add: Sure, as we all know, sometimes a little help happens. But why does the general picture stay the same? This is because control, research and development, economical power f.e. by directing terms of trade, stays with the first world.

Those principles could have been changed a long time ago in favor of human rights principles all around the world, but they arenīt and werenīt. Why should they, with the profits that are made by unfair policies, breaking down every resistance with military power, when it gets a little dangerous for protagonists who are in power.

So, the robbing just continues.

You're right. Damn, this is frustrating.
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Sorry BAW that was not for u specifically...not at all..

Just commenting on what I read in the Voice, clearly the online version. Good points.



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It is just another way for the Religious Right to try to impose their beliefs on others. It isn't about saving lives it's about control. The same as Bush's repealing Clinton removal of the gag order for Federal Funding for International Organizations that provide family management services. Nevermind theat they don't perform abortions, they cannot even mention them as an alternative. It is so counterproductive in third worls countries and especially India that has severe population explosions.
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no time to deal w u 2 little dreamers right now.
im off to a concert, my date will here momentarily, i will respond to u guys later.
however i still consider u guys both sexy.

sexy but not totally righteous

goodbye for now-
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Stop the off topic BS

And this would have what to do with either the title of this thread or the question I posed to you Diamond?

Stop deflecting, and come back to the fact that the man you love so much, George Bush, is showing his true colors as the nutcase he really is.

Now whats up? You still love him?

Will you still hold him in high regard when, as I and others feared, barely any real help in the form of lifesaving medication ever reaches dying children and people in Africa?

Will your support remain strong as the death toll mounts daily?

On this issue I think I can pretty safely go out on a limb and state that Bono's will not.

Rest assured that if Bush doesn't live up to his promise, he will be hearing from Bono in a big way. I don't see Bono backing out of this issue one little bit.

WHY HAS THIS PROGRAM NOT STARTED THE DAY AFTER BUSH ANNOUNCED IT????

I'm mad.




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And this would have what to do with either the title of this thread or the question I posed to you Diamond?

Stop deflecting, and come back to the fact that the man you love so much, George Bush, is showing his true colors as the nutcase he really is.

Now whats up? You still love him?

Will you still hold him in high regard when, as I and others feared, barely any real help in the form of lifesaving medication ever reaches dying children and people in Africa?

Will your support remain strong as the death toll mounts daily?

On this issue I think I can pretty safely go out on a limb and state that Bono's will not.

Rest assured that if Bush doesn't live up to his promise, he will be hearing from Bono in a big way. I don't see Bono backing out of this issue one little bit.

WHY HAS THIS PROGRAM NOT STARTED THE DAY AFTER BUSH ANNOUNCED IT????

I'm mad.




Well said.

Yeah...I don't think Bono's gonna let Bush live this down...

Which is good-Bush needs some sense knocked into him.

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i told u i cant answer u now.
not avoiding nothing.
the sexy has arrived.
i will get w u later, so b prepared..

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Apparently one of my very own actor-heroes, Richard Gere and a left leaning liberal at that recently claimed that GW Bush has done and intends to do more for AIDS than Clinton ever thought about.



GW has a track record of keeping his promises..
Bill Clinton did not.
I implore you all to give the man a chance

Keep hope alive..

[IMG]SPEAKING OF public attacks, you know that Richard Gere aimed a verbal jab at Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton during the recent American Foundation for AIDS Research benefit, saying, "Senator Clinton, I'm sorry, but your husband did nothing for AIDS for eight years." The audience gasped, but according to the Reliable Source column, the senator had already left Cipriani when the remark was made. Democratic Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut defended her: "He's such a jerk," he said of Gere. "That was just rude; ." [/IMG]

rude but true.

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Richard Gere?

Bill Clinton?

Did I miss something here?

to quote Pee Wee: "what's the significance...what does it mean...I dont knowww!!!

We are giving GW a chance, and he's BLOWING IT.

And every day thousands more either die or get infected.

How long?
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